Posted: 3 Weeks, 6 Days ago
Re:Get Over It
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It was the winner of the mid year survey for the most popular training jumper! You do see the odd training jumper in the crowd at home games.
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Posted: 3 Weeks, 6 Days ago
Re:Get Over It
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Charity, what can be done?
In 2011 absolutely nothing.
At the end of 2011:
1. Change the constitution of the Fremantle Football Club Limited to provide that the club's logo and colours can only be changed if a referendum of all members is held and over 65% of all members (not all members who vote) vote in favour of a particular change.
2. Hold a referendum of all members on whether they'd like to stick with the freshnewbold or revert to what we have always been.
4. Change the constitution of the FFC so that the WAFC is no longer the sole shareholder and open up the club to shareholdings by members. Better yet, prepare a prospectus with a view to floating FFC Limited on the ASX (seek to raise $20 million at an issue of $0.20/share and use the funds raised to upgrade Freo Oval or to buy income generating assets so we don't have to change jumpers every 5 years to raise cash).
You know it makes sense (to everyone but those with a vested interest in maintaining the administrative status quo - the steves and the WAFC).
3. Sack the steves.
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Posted: 3 Weeks, 6 Days ago
Re:Get Over It
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I hear a few years back you could have bought the club for about 5 mill.
Now we got back on our feet, it may cost a tad more.
I often think what I would do with 20 million if my numbers came up last night. Id buy the club, open a Dockerland uncorporate box. Oh, probably give the footy dept a handy raise in salary and...clear out the current admin.
Aside from my personal ambitions, floating the club I would go for. I think Man U or Liverpool floated their premier league clubs? Someone out there may know what club and how it worked.
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Posted: 3 Weeks, 6 Days ago
Re:Get Over It
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floating the club? IMHO i recon it would become more commercial! geez, the only people a publicly listed company's board is accountable to are the shareholders. To get the type of club you want the majority of shares must be owned by members, but if a few major corporations had power, then what the members want will go out the window in the face of making money. thats when we might see a move from Freo to a new home if there was money to be made.
personally dont like the idea. but like i said, just my opinion.
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Posted: 3 Weeks, 6 Days ago
Re:Get Over It
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If your talking English clubs you need to strike oil in Russia or maybe have a few barrels lined up in the middle east, doubt 20 million would cut it. Memberships in a standard seat run at about a 1000.00 pound. The wait list's run at a minimum of about 10 year's. They do provide chicken salt though.
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Posted: 3 Weeks, 6 Days ago
Re:Get Over It
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Let's back up a touch. $20 mill was merely a figure I plucked from the sky but in terms of a capital raising such as this would be it would be an easily obtainable figure.
Floating of the club would have to be done after amendments to the constitution requiring a vote by members to change colours, name, logo etc (and by members I mean "registered ticket holders" as opposed to shareholders) - in this way corporate greed would not be allowed to triumph over "club" matters.
True financial success can only come when the club uses its funds to earn income outside the traditional areas of ticket and merch sales. A significant capital raising would provide interest free funds to pursue business strategies outside of football and then the likes of the steves can play corporate raiders whilst keeping their grubby mits off what makes Freo a club.
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Posted: 3 Weeks, 5 Days ago
Re:Get Over It
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SVS1, putting the purchasing of the club to one side your points around changing the consitution are spot on.
And I have been waiting for a member elect to seek a mandate to do this. If you want to change the club then change its constitution, that is how you engineer the necessary changes.
No-one is talking about this though. All the candidiates are too busy telling us what salt of the earth types they are.
Nb I realise its a difficult thing to do but not impossible and something worth standing for. And I wish Blocker was running too.
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Posted: 3 Weeks, 5 Days ago
Re:Get Over It
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Hypes, if I had been able to crystal ball that the steves would treat us this way I would have nominated myself and I would have run on a policy of CHANGE
Not change of the fabric of the "club" but change of the corporate fabric of the Fremantle Football Club Limited. Change to actually make it the people's club (as opposed to the lip service we get), change to make it a club that is different to the others that represents more than what the other clubs represent. You can have all the chevrons and paperclips in the world but they'll never earn as many members as a true CLUB would!
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Posted: 3 Weeks, 5 Days ago
Re:Get Over It
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SVS1 they are all good points re the constitution. But there is a major stumbling block, the Fremantle Football Club cannot change its coinstitution only members with voting rights can and there is onlyy one voting right meber that being the WAFC. To effect change the WAFC either needs a Fremantle person on it or the change needs to be lobbied to the WAFC and parliament, like we did whenm we fgot two member elected reps.
As to floating the club that is fraught with danger firstly you have no control as to where the shares will eventually go both Man Utd and Liverpool are owned by US gazzillionaires who use them as a hobby. Supporters have less say than they had before the float. Once you float the shares are open to be bought and sold and most members of both clubs sold to higher prices and lost control. Also the budgies floated in 1986 and then went broke, the govt bailed most shareholders out but a few kept them and are still Indian pacific Noteholders and have I am led to believe certain rights under the WCE constitution as IPL noteholders I find that sort of elitism abhorrent.
So in summary get someone on the WAFC or lobby parliament its the only way to effect change.
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Posted: 3 Weeks, 5 Days ago
Re:Get Over It
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The initial request to change the constitution of the club to reflect two elected members came from the board, Quasmido.
We all understand that board members themselves can't change the constitution of the club or any other corporation for that matter.
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Posted: 3 Weeks, 5 Days ago
Re:Get Over It
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Just make 'em look stupid.
They are, after all. The board and the WAFC... the commission wasn't even aware of it's own commissioned report (the Crawford Report) recommending a further 2 elected reps...
while the board have overseen the selling out of the strongest logo in the league and the splintering of a fanatical supporter base right when the team were looking to consolidate long awaited onfield success.
Tie in the ridiculous prices we are charged to be treated like fools, the substandard facilities at Subi, poor quality catering and the degradation of the WAFL over the years and you have a target a barn door couldn't miss.
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Posted: 3 Weeks, 5 Days ago
Re:Get Over It
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We can lobby the Club for constitutional change and they in turn can lobby on our behalf to the WAFC. If they refuse to do that we can still lobby direct to the WAFC, but the Club is a start.
I think that at the members meeting next week what we should be asking for is:
i. Constitutional change to ensure that this will never happen again without the consent of 65-70% approval of the members.
ii. A proper and transparent survey conducted at the end of 2011 with simple and straightforward questions ie new logo, old logo and 2010 jumper,2011 jumper.
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