Posted: 4 Days, 13 Hours ago
Re:Values
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while i am reluctant to criticize anyone suffering from depression having a mother and sister who had the illness i dont see how fremantle are to blame.
browne was not up to afl standard and the fact he was often injured was not fremantles fault.
he was lucky to be on a afl list for 8 years
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Posted: 4 Days, 9 Hours ago
Browne's Compensation Claim
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Is it just me, or is it outrageous / hilarious / cheeky / disrepectful that a bloke who was retained on an AFL list for 8 seasons producing a total of 29 games has the hide to submit a claim to the AFL grievance tribunal and ask Fremantle to pay him compensation for his depression?
It defies belief that Andrew Browne would have the nerve to submit such a claim. As far as I am aware, 8 seasons on an AFL list for an average of a measly 3 games per season is a record for any AFL team / player in the history of the game in terms of number of seasons retained relative to games played.
And now we must foot the bill for his depression illness?
If this claim is successful, I suspect there will be a number of Freo members lining up to submit similar claims for compensation for depression!
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Posted: 4 Days, 6 Hours ago
Re:Values
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superswede, the salary cap is around $7.5-$8m. If we are operating at 95%, we should comfortably be able to wear a payment of up to $3-400k (not that I can understand how or why we'd be making such a large payment to a player who never reached any heights).
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Posted: 4 Days, 3 Hours ago
Re:Values
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AFL website article: click |
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Posted: 3 Days, 21 Hours ago
Re:Values
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rogerbelly, I wish it were that simple. There is a reason why we are operating at the cap percentage that we are. The total payments are calculated and re-calculated on a regular basis. Total base salaries stay the same, but match payments are ever fluctuating because, for example, a Silvagni might come into the side to replace an injured Grover, which means for this week we pay a lesser amount for total match payments than the week before.
The 95% may be a figure that we are comfortable with because it allows us the space to not go over - or not drop too low if we have many injuries. For the record, clubs are obliged to pay a certain % of the cap as a minimum (92.5??).
A payout of $1-200k would place huge restrictions on our flexibility under the cap. It would be like having 1 or 2 extra draftees who are going to play most games for the year.
$3-400k - it scares me to even think about how we would fit that in, let alone 'comfortably'. A player earning this much is usually a pretty good player. I'm not sure how a payout of this amount under the cap without actually having a player of that value playing for us could be anything other than an extremely bad situation for the club.
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Posted: 3 Days, 18 Hours ago
Re:Values
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It depends on what is being paid and when it needs to be accounted for. If we didn't have a spare $3-400,000 in the cap at the end of last year, then I hate to think what's going to happen if we ever climb the ladder.
If Browne just wants his contract paid out, firstly I'd ask why that hasn't already happened, and secondly, surely that was already taken into consideration as part of the 2009 cap anyway.
If a payout leads to one of our talented rookies being left in the WAFL and an empty spot on our list, you'd have to ask why it is that we pay so much to someone to not only manage the list, but also the salary cap.
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Posted: 3 Days, 11 Hours ago
Andrew Browne
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I wish Andrew Brownes all the best with his recovery, but he spent 7 years on the list with shocking hamstrings and to only managed 29games for the club in that time, i'd think he would count himself pretty lucky for having such a chance to prove himself over those years. Not to many young blokes could have so many injuries and continue on the list for that long, most would be shown the door after 2-3years
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Posted: 3 Days, 4 Hours ago
Re:Andrew Browne
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I dunno why it is that the subject of depression arouses such a hostile reaction in mainstream Australia, whatever that is. If you'd actually read that article you'd know he's not suing the club at all. The club, through Pav, couldn't be more supportive of the bloke. Thats enough for me.
Depression is a curse. It's the foulest condition to suffer... those who attack people who struggle with the illness really need to have a look at themselves. Understand this, it's an illness that turns your mind on yourself. You become your own worst enemy, the last thing you need is anyone else joining in the fun.
If he has a legitimate claim then good luck to him with that. He's toughing out a nightmare. I hope he can make a successful recovery.
Rant over.
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Posted: 3 Days, 3 Hours ago
Re:Andrew Browne
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Posted: 3 Days, 3 Hours ago
Re: Values
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No-one is disputing the fact that depression is a terrible illness. It is, and it is awful that Browne is suffering from it.
But the point is, such a "claim" would result in Fremantle paying him a sum of money to compensate him for contracting depression due to him being on an AFL list. That is an outrageous and completely illegitimate claim.
It is outrageous and illegitimate because in this sense, being a professional sports person is no different to any professional that undertakes to work in a professional industry or job - the professional who voluntarily chooses to work in a profession agrees to the demands associated with it and is remunerated accordingly.
Take a corporate lawyer, for example. Working in corporate law is a very rigorous and intense profession that places huge demands on a lawyer's physical and mental health, affecting his/her family and personal time, etc. Indeed, there is a high rate of depression suffered by corporate lawyers in Australia. But can the corporate lawyer then make a claim against their law firm for compensation for contracting depression? Ah, I think not!
I expect nothing less from our skipper Pav and the other squad members to throw their support behind Browne - of course they should. But the club should not be forced to pay a single dollar of compensation to Browne for his illness.
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Posted: 3 Days, 2 Hours ago
Re: Values
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I made a point of using the phrase " if he has a legitimate claim". I'm not a health professional or a lawyer so I, like most of you, am in no position to offer an opinion on the case. Even if I were, I'd still need time to examine facts and assess the case. Something, unfortunately, that many of you seem to feel is unnecessary before you put the boot in.
He deserves a fair hearing at least. Why not take a deep breath and give him that?
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Posted: 3 Days, 2 Hours ago
Re: Values
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If a corporate lawyer was working under the same collective bargaining agreement as an AFL footballer then they would have every right to make a claim for compensation.
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