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TOPIC: Hell hath no fury like a doctor scorned

Tragic Hell hath no fury like a doctor scorned 1 month 10 hours ago #1

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It's Melbourne, not the OOFTITS this time.
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shane Hell hath no fury like a doctor scorned 1 month 9 hours ago #2

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What do you think it takes for the AFL to do something. Seems like either someone has to die or go to jail.
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Tragic Hell hath no fury like a doctor scorned 1 month 9 hours ago #3

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I think it is an ethics issue.
All too common that entities do their best to be seen to be compliant rather than doing their best to be compliant.
We have gone down the path of making policies that are more and more complicated rather than doing our best to comply with the intent of a simple idea.
ie Don't cheat.

It would be good if the AFL could be charged with bringing the game into disrepute.
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Morgan Hell hath no fury like a doctor scorned 1 month 8 hours ago #4

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Is there a workplace in Australia where someone doesn’t get on the gear on Friday, do their own test on Sunday, and decide to call in sick (or work from home) on Monday just to be safe? Employers aren’t allowed to drug test on moral grounds; it’s rooted in safety. For the AFL, there’s the performance enhancing element, but again, it’s connected to game and training days. Players are scared of the drug test system, so they are opting out of being in the workplace or competing. Paradoxically, that’s elements of the system working. So what’s the basis of the complaint?

Wilkie uses ‘Melbourne’ and ‘The AFL’ interchangeably. ‘The AFL’ is not setting up a clinic to do testing outside of the current system. ‘The AFL’ can’t stop players from doing their own private testing. ‘The AFL’ can’t get the results of any private medical testing. I supposed the AFL could drug test every player that’s injured, but the AFL already has a risk-based drug test policy.

Facts are thin on the ground, but I think this is a red herring wrapped up in grandstanding.

And Wilkie’s ‘won’t someone think of the gambler’s’ schtick. I mean, spare me. I’d like to know Wilkie’s view on how draconian employers can be in dealing with the employees health information? Should my employer have access to all my medical records?
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Tragic Hell hath no fury like a doctor scorned 1 month 8 hours ago #5

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"In a statement on Wednesday, the AFL confirmed it conducted its own testing outside of that done by Sport Integrity Australia as part of a drug policy that “specifically deals with the use of illicit substances out of competition and is focused on player health and wellbeing”."

I see this as a significant ethical issue if not a major conflict of interest.

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Morgan Hell hath no fury like a doctor scorned 1 month 7 hours ago #6

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I've been proven to be wrong before, but rarely so quickly.

So if the illicit drug testing performed by the club Doctor is positive, does that count as a strike under the three strikes policy? The statement is a little unclear about that.
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Bizkit Hell hath no fury like a doctor scorned 1 month 7 hours ago #7

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The crux of this is players and the AFL working together to avoid WADA drug testing and positive tests that have actual consequences, essentially masking the issue and not addressing players drug use. It's hiding player drug use not for the players but for their own interest ie. avoiding media scrutiny and keeping good players on the field.

It's very questionable ethically for players to be taking illicit substances, get tested outside of competition and then avoid playing/testing in competition when those substances are still in their system with no consequences.
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Morgan Hell hath no fury like a doctor scorned 1 month 7 hours ago #8

Morgan
Doesn’t it just go to the heart of the difference between performance enhancing drugs and recreational drugs (noting there is a small overlap)? It seems like the AFL is trying to avoid another Willie Rioli (as he was then) situation where someone has to go through the WADA system for smoking weed.
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freo00 Hell hath no fury like a doctor scorned 1 month 6 hours ago #9

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Situation where someone has to go through the WADA system for smoking weed ?

Or any drugs of any kind ?
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hypen Hell hath no fury like a doctor scorned 1 month 5 hours ago #10

hypen
Is the three strike and you are out policy still a thing?
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rogerrocks Hell hath no fury like a doctor scorned 1 month 3 hours ago #11

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Does this explain why some players get continually ignored by the selectors? Does it explain why some players get traded when we all think they can play a bit?

I guess it puts a new spin on "training injury" and "general soreness" and "late withdrawal due to illness".
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rogerrocks Hell hath no fury like a doctor scorned 1 month 3 hours ago #12

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Think of the carnage that would ensue if the AFL insisted on testing every player who was dropped. But we can be pretty sure the AFL won't do that.
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Tricolour Hell hath no fury like a doctor scorned 1 month 1 hour ago #13

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That secret testing and fake injuries to avoid bans were going on at a club doesn’t come as an utter shock, that the AFL have responded with a giant shrug of the shoulders has me flabbergasted.
Their entire approach to illicit drug use by players has been to look the other way for pretty much forever, but condoning avoidance of testing is shocking to me. Is drug use so prevalent in the league that the AFL believe effective testing would decimate all the clubs? Is that the real reason they're trying to ‘protect’ the players? They say it’s society’s issue, which is a cop out. Professional athletes are required to follow rules I don’t have to in my workplace, enabling players to take illegal substances is just asking for trouble.
Allowing doctors to diagnose fake injuries so players can avoid drug tests is dreadful, I’m staggered that the AFL sees no issue with it whatsoever.
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Raglan Matt Hell hath no fury like a doctor scorned 4 weeks 2 days ago #14

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Forget the eagles, the AwFL should be deregistered. What a disgraceful and shameful blight on footy, and Australian sport in general. And, isn't it what plenty have been saying here on D/L for a few years now.
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