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TOPIC: Brayshaw Forced To Retire

Raglan Matt Brayshaw Forced To Retire 2 months 4 days ago #15

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Not everyone though, Hypen, and that gives us hope the game can adapt and survive.
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Bizkit Brayshaw Forced To Retire 2 months 1 day ago #16

Bizkit
Everyone arguing what Maynard did was unavoidable or a normal part of the game ignores that jumping off the ground does not mean you have a free pass to then turn and hip and shoulder a bloke in the head. There are other options with your body to protect yourself and the other player and you can bet if it was Scott Pendlebury in Maynard's way that he wasn't bracing with his shoulder.

I always enjoyed watching Angus play and hoped he'd come over to join his brother. A loss for the greater AFL community as he was not just a star on the field but a seemingly great bloke off it.
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shane Brayshaw Forced To Retire 2 months 1 day ago #17

shane
I think putting it on one incident is missing the point, hypen. His head was damaged, presumably over several incidents because of the nature of the game. The AFL have to continue to work at protecting the head but footballers also have to realise that they are doing an activity that is not good for their health. More of them will need to follow Brayshaw's lead and walk away from the game to protect their future quality of life.
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Morgan Brayshaw Forced To Retire 2 months 1 day ago #18

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It is a real bummer for Angus. I had also hoped he’d come over as a free agent to play with Andy on the team he supported as a kid.

If we’re relitigating the Maynard hit, I was one of the people who didn’t think he should be suspended. I actually didn’t think ‘it was a normal part of the game’; in fact I thought the problem was that it was exactly the opposite, because I’ve never seen that exact scenario play out - a guy jumping front on to spoil and then landing and hitting the bloke high. I honestly don’t think there is a rule that covers it, because the AFL has never come out and said it doesn’t matter what your intent is, if you jump in the air and hit a bloke in the head and he gets concussed, you’ll be suspended. Instead, the AFL has made a series of determinations based on specific actions (ie, if you bump, if you sling tackle, if you spoil late etc).

The Tribunal agreed there was no rule that covered it and let Maynard off, and the AFL has since made noises about changing that rule (I think they were aiming to have it cleared up before this season, but I haven’t seen anything yet). To me that’s the system moving in the right direction. I reckon it will be another decade or two until the same scenario plays out again, but at that point the AFL Tribunal will know what to do.

I honestly think the bigger issue the more commonplace occurrences that the AFL has tried hard to stamp out, and led to Brayshaw getting four concussions in 12 months around 2017.

The incident where a tackle leads to a player hitting their head on the ground is going to be a mess this year. The AFL has basically said if you chase a bloke from behind and tackle him, and you pin the arms you’ll be done for a dangerous tackle. Short of a goal or hanger, there are few things that fire up a crowd more than a chase down tackle. Punters are going to lose their minds this season when 50% of the time it leads to a free kick against as a dangerous tackle, but it’s the right thing to do.
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Raglan Matt Brayshaw Forced To Retire 2 months 1 day ago #19

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Morgan, someone brought Pendlebury's name into the topic, you can bet your shirt if it was Pendlebury in that situation, Brayshaw would not have been hit in the head, the cowboys need to know there are consequences, even for "accidental" or "in the spirit of the game" actions, and the only way to do that is hefty suspensions.
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Morgan Brayshaw Forced To Retire 2 months 1 day ago #20

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Yeah, I just don't agree with that. I think once he was in the air everything was set in place.

A new rule will eventually make it clear that if you leave your feet in any situation and hit a person high and knock them out you'll be suspended. The only question will be whether they have carve outs for marking or if you actually get the ball.
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Tragic Brayshaw Forced To Retire 2 months 1 day ago #21

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David Mundy's view on 6PR

“I’m not saying Maynard covered up to try and hurt the other player or with any sort of malice or intent. But in that situation, split-second decision... players have the ability to make different decisions.

“I think in that situation - when you’ve jumped up and you’re in the air and there’s a person underneath you... you have the ability to almost catch yourself as you’re falling on top of them.

“Hands may have been out, he may have tried to catch himself on his shoulders or whatever. It would have been really awkward and they would have got into a bit of a tumble and fallen to the ground together, but I think that decision and that behavioural response has a much less chance of injuring another player and having a result like we saw.”
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Raglan Matt Brayshaw Forced To Retire 2 months 16 hours ago #22

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Morgan, Maynard has history of pushing the boundaries in allowable physical contact, that brings the question of intent into the action.
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hypen Brayshaw Forced To Retire 2 months 5 hours ago #23

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I understand it wasn't one incident but rather a build up of many hits that got Brayshaw. But all those hits were enabled by this misplaced sense of justice that on the football field if you "play hard" then you should be protected at all times.

Go back and look at some the incident footage twenty years ago folks. It will make your spine shiver.

And then apply the arguments put forward by many on this site to the Maynard incident. They are same boneheaded arguments when trying to change things twenty years ago.
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rogerrocks Brayshaw Forced To Retire 1 month 4 weeks ago #24

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Mundy obviously played the game without trying to hurt his opponents. In his last season, I noticed him have a go (verbally) at some opposition players who were trying to hurt others. It is a shame that people in their own clubs didn't give them the appropriate message earlier.
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Morgan Brayshaw Forced To Retire 1 month 4 weeks ago #25

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As far as I can remember, Mundy also played the game without jumping, so I'm not entirely sure he's a reliable expert on how much control players have over landing.
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Noddy Brayshaw Forced To Retire 1 month 4 weeks ago #26

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In all the training undertaken and games played I think Mundy would have a full understanding of the situation and options.
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Mushroom Brayshaw Forced To Retire 1 month 4 weeks ago #27

Mushroom
Herein lies the problem, Morgan, one can't make arguments based on what they think they saw happen (or not) when their memory is clearly selective.

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Morgan Brayshaw Forced To Retire 1 month 4 weeks ago #28

Morgan
I said 'as far as I can remember'. Your video just proves my memory doesn't go as far back as 2006.

I could have told you that.
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