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TOPIC: AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference

shane AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 10 months 3 weeks ago #43

shane
and they replaced him with a meth dealer.
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rogerrocks AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 10 months 3 weeks ago #44

rogerrocks
I'm just going to assume that the original ABC story was accurate. Because I've heard no compelling story that contradicts it.
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Morgan AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 10 months 3 weeks ago #45

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It’s a reasonable assumption RR. No doubt there’s some truth to the allegations; Burt himself has confirmed some aspects. He probably wouldn’t have done that if he didn’t think there was some context or missing information that made it seems less problematic – at least in his own head.

The problem is that having only been informed of the story just before it went to print, Clarkson and the others haven’t had a chance to respond. Then it got swept into the AFL’s investigation so having agreed to participate (and by that I probably mean they signed an NDA – I’m not sure how much they ‘participated’) they couldn’t speak. Now it has been wrapped up in an agreed settlement of sorts, they still can’t speak. I don’t think they ever should publicly, but something tells me Clarkson won’t be able to help himself at some point.

And that’s, in part, how you get to wording like ‘no adverse findings’. Clarkson and the rest could have walked away and told their side of the story, and that serves no-one at all, other than perhaps makes them feel better and in some eyes mitigates the damage to their reputation. Think about the lengths other bullies like Porter and BRS have gone to have their say and day in court to their own – and probably many others’ - detriment.

The thing I keep thinking about is how badly Hawthorn handled things. There were appalling allegations made against coaches/employees of competitors. It’s a huge conflict. They have no control over them speaking as part of Hawthorn's enquiry – but the AFL does. Say what you will about the AFL, but they have an integrity unit for this sort of thing. I have no idea why this wasn’t handed to them sooner. Also, the wording “The Parties acknowledge that the manner in which their allegations were leaked to the media was not in any party’s best interests” makes me think someone at Hawthorn is about to be blamed for the leak.
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rogerrocks AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 10 months 3 weeks ago #46

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But, according to the ABC, nobody leaked anything:

"Further, the stories of the Hawthorn families were not “leaked” to the ABC. Nobody interviewed by Hawthorn for its cultural safety review was bound by confidentiality – they were free to speak to the ABC or anyone else. The ABC’s reporting was based on its own interviews with three Hawthorn families."
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shane AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 10 months 3 weeks ago #47

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People like to complicate things to make everything seem cloudy.

Hawthorn commissioned an internal report to change their practices because there was some talk that they had done the wrong thing by Cyril Rioli, they were not looking to take action against anyone, they were just looking for a better way forward.

Then the people who spoke to the review gang spoke to a journalist. No one was under any obligation to keep anything secret.

The problem isn't the process, the problem is that no one wants to have to deal with what happens if it's true.
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Corporal Agarn AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 10 months 3 weeks ago #48

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There's no stopping this train now. Think we all realised it was Rioli, but didn't know the others.

www.afl.com.au/news/941218/four-time-fla...ants-in-racism-probe
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Bizkit AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 10 months 3 weeks ago #49

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It's incredibly brave of all of these players and families to step up and continue to make their voice heard. It's not an easy thing to continue this fight which has been heavily stacked against them due to many issues but predominantly, racism. They are doing everything they can to be heard and I hope everyone is open to listening.

Ending this AFL investigation has enabled them to reclaim their voice after it looked like it was being silenced. Now it's over to the Human Rights Commission.
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jezzaargh AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 10 months 3 weeks ago #50

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Morgan, I'm bemused by the "nor should they" speak publicly comment.

Sure, confidentiality might be necessary while the process is on foot, but beyond that NDAs in this scenario are just part of the big corporate bully boy tactics. Go watch a bit of "She Said".
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Bizkit AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 10 months 3 weeks ago #51

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There are so many powerful words in that open letter from the families involved.

"All we ever wanted was to sit with the coaches and officials we looked up to, and who had such control over our lives and our futures, and make them understand what we heard. What impact it had on our lives."

"And we are gutted that these so-called AFL role models weren’t prepared to listen to our truths through mediation. We have always had the courage to listen to their truths too. That is our way."

"But they have made their choice, and we will now bring them to a Human Rights Commission conciliation to listen to the truths that they don’t want to hear. And if they still won’t listen and learn then it will end up in the Federal Court where we will tell our truths in the witness box. But they will hear us one way or another."

"These blokes who changed the course of our lives have never been exonerated by the AFL. The Panel never made any findings because it was shut down. We previously allowed these people to use their power to control our lives. It should never happen again."

After some of those involved came out again declaring how they were exonerated and have done nothing wrong, I'm interested to see their response to this open and honest letter.
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hypen AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 10 months 3 weeks ago #52

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It's jarring Bizkit. I presume that Hawthorn knew the people wanted that mediation. Why didnt they facilitate that?
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shane AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 10 months 3 weeks ago #53

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Hawthorn no longer employed any of those people.
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Raglan Matt AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 10 months 3 weeks ago #54

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So why didn't the AFL facilitate the mediation?
Because some of their "Golden Childs" were going to end up in trouble, so the best thing to do is to is be obtuse and prevaricate until the next big NRL scandal comes along. Unfortunately for Clarkson, Fagan, Burt, Hawthorn, and the AFL, the NRL could not stuff up badly enough, and some media would not sit down and be quiet when they were "encouraged" to.
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itscraptacular AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 10 months 3 weeks ago #55

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This saga will end up in one of those case-study-in-how-not-to PR handbooks. Or should.
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Raglan Matt AFL CEO _ Hawthorn Racism Press Conference 10 months 3 weeks ago #56

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Sam Mitchell??? how can you say Rioli is the person responsible for mending the relationship with Hawthorn? Rioli is not responsible for what happened, he is a victim here. More old mates looking after old mates, he might well follow Clarkson out the door.
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