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TOPIC: Clarkson steps aside

Walter the baker Clarkson steps aside 11 months 1 week ago #1

Walter the baker
I know that there has been a presumption of guilt by some on DL. That aside, how has it taken this long to achieve so little in this investigation. I’m guessing some legal eagles are charging by the hour.

www.nmfc.com.au/news/1333348/club-statement-alastair-clarkson
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Hamihill Clarkson steps aside 11 months 1 week ago #2

Hamihill
My uninformed opinion is it’s worse than you think and the fan is about to be hit…
I’m wrong quite often though
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blockerhall, Mushroom, shane said You Beaut

expat Clarkson steps aside 11 months 1 week ago #3

expat
Oh no, the Ratt's back...
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hypen Clarkson steps aside 11 months 1 week ago #4

hypen
It's dragged on cause there is substance to the accusations.

The game; we just need to move from these types of people who think having a senior title turns them into demigods or something.
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jezzaargh Clarkson steps aside 11 months 1 week ago #5

jezzaargh
It's dragged on because:

i) the initial review wasn't intended as a process for making and testing allegations
ii) allegations were leaked to the media
iii) Clarko wants his "day in court" (ie a rigorous cross examination of those making allegations)
iv) those who raised these issues in the review don't want to be cross examined
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shane Clarkson steps aside 11 months 1 week ago #6

shane
v) Clarko refused to participate in the interview process.

He was the hold up. He was the one making it drag on. He brought the process to a standstill and then used his very loud voice to put the blame on the victims and the system, in the hope that they would just give up and the whole thing would be called off.

This wasn't malicious leaking, it was whistleblowing.
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Bizkit, Hamihill said You Beaut

Morgan Clarkson steps aside 11 months 1 week ago #7

Morgan
WTB, as I understand it:

i. Hawthorn collected and holds a bunch of information from the club review it set up, which was leaked.
ii. Given the serious matters raised by the leaking/whistle blowing, the AFL took over the investigation.
iii. Hawthorn has handed over the relevant documents to the AFL panel. There were a lot of documents to be reviewed (37,000).
iv. Many of the key documents contain personal and sensitive information about the people making the allegations.
v. Those participants don’t want the documents released to Fagan, Clarkson etc.
vi. Fagan, Clarkson etc. want to know the details of what they’re accused of doing before they are formally interviewed / attend mediation.
vii. Clarkson in particular seems vexed by the fact the investigation parameters were set up by Hawthorn, and curiously only for the period where Kennett wasn’t running the club, and only focussing on the ex-coaches.
viii. The AFL’s investigation panel can’t tell Clarkson what they’re accused of doing until the participants agree to release the information.

So, the panel is at a genuine impasse. I think all parties are acting rationally, it’s just a very complex situation. At this stage it’s a workplace investigation, so the AFL panel can’t compel participants or subjects to do certain things that would help the investigation.

I think Clarkson has every right to be dubious about the process set up by Hawthorn, and I think he has every right to want to know what he’s accused of before he participates. He could elect to participate anyway, but I think it’s pretty narrow to blame him for the derailing the process.
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hypen Clarkson steps aside 11 months 1 week ago #8

hypen
Couldn't start from the last Roman Numeral could you?

I have no idea why it bugs me.....
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expat Clarkson steps aside 11 months 1 week ago #9

expat
Maybe his "X" key doesn't work anymore...
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Morgan Clarkson steps aside 11 months 1 week ago #10

Morgan
If nothing else, I think I've established over all these years that all my keys work.
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cookie, hypen, Noddy, expat said You Beaut

fradonjan Clarkson steps aside 11 months 1 week ago #11

fradonjan
If Fagan also stands aside then that fan will be working overtime.
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hypen Clarkson steps aside 11 months 1 week ago #12

hypen
This will only get properly solved by parties sitting together in a room and having an honest sincere discussion. And yes sometimes the cost of sincerity is admission of guilt. But if people think it's going away by doing something else then.....

What is Clarksons strategy? What are his next steps?
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Noddy Clarkson steps aside 11 months 1 week ago #13

Noddy
‘Burn the witch’ starting soon on Channel 666.

What don’t people get about a proper, fair and equitable process? If you advocate for anything else you are no better than the people you criticise for an alleged biased investigation.

If Clarkson and Fagan and anyone else have wronged the alleged victims then they should never have any role within the AFL system, but let the proper process be conducted. A slow process doesn’t benefit anyone.

Slinging mud and not being prepared to stand up to scrutiny through questioning isn’t a good look.
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darthmarto Clarkson steps aside 11 months 1 week ago #14

darthmarto
But that's the thing Noddy. People are allowed both the right to silence (i) and the presumption of innocence (ii).

You seem to be putting forward that Clarkson can't have ii if he adopts i.

These quasi-judicial things can get very unbalanced, with some loose rules, very quickly. Factor in the AFL's tendency to leak and the general quality of AFL reporting, not sure I'd be sticking my head over that particular parapet.

I have no idea what Clarkson or Fagan are accused of outside of very general terms and it's very hard to prove a negative ... which generally an accused isn't called upon to do.

*** I've just reread your post Noddy, sorry are you referring to the plaintiffs / complainants about slinging mud?? If so, apologies for the misunderstanding, wasn't wearing my reading brain.
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