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TOPIC: Statements by Clubs

slammen Statements by Clubs 2 years 3 months ago #15

slammen
What a load of PC nonsense. clubs should just stick to football.
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pollyanna Statements by Clubs 2 years 3 months ago #16

pollyanna
Hypen sent me the tweets - thanks mate - I disagree Slammo, this is worth argueing about and football clubs should stand up.
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Walter the baker Statements by Clubs 2 years 3 months ago #17

Walter the baker
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Walter the baker Statements by Clubs 2 years 3 months ago #18

Walter the baker
“PC nonsense “ Slammen?
We’re not talking about your local suburban Sunday league club here. These organisations have a massive capacity to influence large numbers of supporters and the broader community. With that comes a responsibility to use that capacity and to act in a way that improves our communities. If they don’t do that they may as well be Crown casino.
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hypen Statements by Clubs 2 years 3 months ago #19

hypen
Great to see Carlton putting it all on the line.
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Morgan Statements by Clubs 2 years 3 months ago #20

Morgan
It’s not as simple as ‘stick to footy’ or ‘promote positive change’. I tend towards Hypen and Walter’s view that clubs must be forces for positive social change, but I do think there is merit in them being something of a safe harbour where people of all stripes can come together for a few hours over a shared love for a footy team. There’s a great deal of polarisation in society these days; I don’t think we should undervalue shared touch-points.

Whether the club is sticking its neck out for a just cause or ‘wading into politics/political correctness' seems to depend on whether you agree with the position. Personally, I wish the club would take more of a leadership position on certain matters, but I wouldn't claim to know where the line sits between positive influence and descending into politics. There are a few obvious areas, but it gets murky pretty quickly.

Below is my hastily considered guess on where that line might sit. Obviously these are just examples and I’m not attempting to cover the field (apologies if you have a strong view on whaling or the rise of China).

Must take a position

Racism / Hate Speech / Legal Equality
Domestic violence
Mental health
Climate change

I consider the club should take a position, but I understand the arguments against the club doing so

Vaccination
Gambling
Healthy lifestyle stuff (eg, junk food)
More nuanced issues of race (eg, changing the date of Australia Day, constitutional recognition)
More nuanced issues of equality/equity (eg, diversity in the workplace)

Probably not their scope

Actual party politics
More nuanced issues of climate change (ie, Govt. policy)
Refugee advocacy
Abortion or euthanasia
Australian republic / Australian flag / Australian anthem (although I have very strong views about these and think at least the last two could be bumped up to the category above)
Animal rights

I know this is an artificial exercise but I’d love to know where other people think the line is? Am I way off?
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shane Statements by Clubs 2 years 3 months ago #21

shane
Everyone understands the arguments against the club commenting on stuff. What people are doing in this sort of place is presenting those arguments and the arguments for commenting. Stop hijacking conversations with your both sides nonsense.
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Morgan Statements by Clubs 2 years 3 months ago #22

Morgan
I think you understand shane, but I don’t think everyone does. When someone says ‘stick to football’, I don’t think they understand that clubs can’t actually do that. Regardless of the social responsibility aspect they have club employees, and fans, and sponsors they need to consider.

I was just trying to find out whether Slammen honestly thought the club should be silent on everything, and where others thought that line was.

No need to bite my head off.
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shane Statements by Clubs 2 years 3 months ago #23

shane
I think when someone says ‘stick to football’ they totally understand and their point is that the club makes them feel uncomfortable by going against their beliefs.

But maybe I'm just naive and don't assume people who voice their opinions are doing it out of ignorance.
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shane Statements by Clubs 2 years 3 months ago #24

shane
Just to be clear on my opinion. I think as soon as the issue was brought to mainstream Australia's attention, by the city of Fremantle cancelling their fireworks, it was super obvious that the date was offensive and exclusive and any right minded person should have seen that. The date should have been changed without any fuss.

Much like when the National Anthem line of "young and free" was uncontroversial changed to "one and free".

And I also think that Arthur Phillip was probably a rapist.
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rogerrocks Statements by Clubs 2 years 3 months ago #25

rogerrocks
It's not his fault Morgan, Shane is the reincarnation of Alice Cooper* - he loves biting the head off things.

But that doesn't mean he isn't right. As soon as we realised that celebrating the day the English stole NSW was not necessarily in good taste, the date should have changed. And the AFL, with a big representation of skillful, hard-working, and much admired indigenous youngsters (and oldsters), is the obvious organisation to push for it.

I was talking to a friend with kids in their early 20's. Amongst his kid's peers, there is overwhelming agreement that the date be changed.



*Yeah, I know he's not dead yet.
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slammen Statements by Clubs 2 years 3 months ago #26

slammen
Morgan , I like the way you put it , in the way everything isn't so black and white .

I don't think the clubs should get involved in Australia day (that's just my opinion), I'm of the opinion that standing up against racism and being inclusive with the aboriginal and lgbt rounds is a good thing.

I get a little worried that Shane never gets any sleep though with how woke he is.
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jezzaargh Statements by Clubs 2 years 3 months ago #27

jezzaargh
good on Trent Cooper - one of the best statements/tweets of the day, including this bit especially

“The more people that are educated, the closer we are to moving to a date where we can ALL celebrate together - The big change will come about not by those most affected, but by those least affected understanding and then helping to educate others.”
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Drubbing Statements by Clubs 2 years 3 months ago #28

Drubbing
I thought it was black and white. In this case, literally.

Most indigenous people find Australia day offensive these days. Some white people can't see what the problem is and don't want to.

That's the problem.
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