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TOPIC: Nat's the Culprit

fradonjan Nat's the Culprit 2 years 10 months ago #1

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Walter the baker Nat's the Culprit 2 years 10 months ago #2

Walter the baker
Top marks to the Owl.
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DrRPG Nat's the Culprit 2 years 10 months ago #3

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So they are saying he is no Shauny Mac........
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Awake Nat's the Culprit 2 years 10 months ago #4

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I'm sure that list would correlate strongly with a list of highest possessions. The more times you get the ball the more clangers you make. Or to put it in Mitch terms, the less you get the ball the less clangers you make.
A better list would be total clangers per 100 possessions.
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Alvin Prpl Nat's the Culprit 2 years 10 months ago #5

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Yep exactly what I was thinking awake.
If you don't get your hands on it your not going to make a clanger.
By that logic our defenders are our best shots on goal, they haven't missed one yet.
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Walter the baker Nat's the Culprit 2 years 10 months ago #6

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As mentioned above, on its own it doesn’t have great meaning as it doesn’t take into account number of possessions and the pressure that the player was under. It doesn’t look good when compared to similar player who have similar possessions, e.g. Brayshaw, Mundy and Serong. Fyfe has about 30% more flangers than each of this guys but he is also under the most pressure when he gets the ball. It’s not s great stat for him but it may be explainable with more investigation.
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exceed Nat's the Culprit 2 years 10 months ago #7

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Nat Fyfe has never been the best kick ever. He is a beast who can take marks and his handball to advantage is sublime but his kicking is at best average. If you compare him in clangers to say Martin, bot or shuey he would be worse is my guess. But I would have him over most of them bar Martin.
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zorro Nat's the Culprit 2 years 10 months ago #8

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It’s pretty clear that this Fyfe bloke is a dud. I mean, just look at him.
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Bizkit Nat's the Culprit 2 years 10 months ago #9

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This list of clangers is pretty misleading. If you look at the most clangers in the AFL this season, the top 3 are Petracca, Cripps and Oliver rather than Fyfe. All of these players are inside bulls that get the ball under intense pressure. In fact you'll find the top of the list littered with the best players in the comp who do all the hard work for their teams under the most pressure. The top 10 is the who's who of the AFL's best inside mids - Cunnington, Sidebottom, Zorko, Adams, Taranto, Laird... they're the players each team needs winning the footy.

Your guess would be wrong Exceed. Dusty hasn't played much this season and hasn't found the footy when he has (he's spent a large amount of time forward) so this season probably isn't the best. The comparison in 2021 is Fyfe (5.2 clangers per game) to Dusty (3 clangers per game). If you look at last year's rankings where Dusty was playing in the middle more, Dusty had the the most clangers in the comp with 82 at an average of 4.1 while Fyfe had 45 at an average of 3.2. The year before Dusty had the second most clangers with 113 at an average of 4.9 compared to Fyfe's 84 at an average of 4.2.


Player - 2020 Ave Total - 2019 Ave Total - 2018 Ave Total
Fyfe - 3.2 45 - 4.2 84 - 5.13 77
Dusty - 4.1 82 - 4.9 113 - 4.65 107

Basically, this stat is rubbish and only reflects the tough role Fyfe plays for the team. Even then, he is far from a bad kick of the footy. His field kicking has always been very good, even on the weekend he nailed some beautiful stab passes that never went above head height directly onto the chest of leading teammates.

Sure he has the yips in front of goal but the rest is just confirmation bias.
Nathan: When did you get balls?
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pollyanna Nat's the Culprit 2 years 10 months ago #10

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Fyfe, Cripps, Dusty, etc. - a misdirected discussion.
The really important stat:
The Owl = LEGEND!
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exceed Nat's the Culprit 2 years 10 months ago #11

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I don’t want to make it about who is the best kick.
As I said I would take Fyfe every time.
But no matter what you statistics show, Martin is a far superior kick than Fyfe , that is shown in grand finals, other show case games and kicking goals when the stakes are huge. I love fyfe , but norm smith medals aside come on!
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Bizkit Nat's the Culprit 2 years 10 months ago #12

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Who cares about the facts, I have a hunch and that must be right!

In that case, Fyfe has two brownlow medals to Dusty's one. Fyfe is clearly twice the player Dusty is and twice as good a kick.

If you want to actually check out the stats or acknowledge the past decade of footy instead of your own selection bias, Dusty (69%) had a worse career goal kicking accuracy than Fyfe (72%) before this season which has now swung marginally in Dusty's favour with Fyfe's yips.
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shane Nat's the Culprit 2 years 10 months ago #13

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You have three players hanging off of you, two more coming at you and you get away a handball that misses your team mate, who's looking in the wrong direction, and it's called a clanger.
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Drubbing Nat's the Culprit 2 years 10 months ago #14

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Once you get to Darcy, 2nd on our list with 39, you're in the same territory as the first dozen players for Geelong.

Stats are a load of bollox.
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