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TOPIC: Kill the AFL Draft

Morgan Kill the AFL Draft 3 years 4 months ago #1

Morgan
Or maybe just change the draft.

In the lead up to the AFL Draft I’ve thought often about this article about the NBA draft last year, which basically argues for the NBA draft to be abolished. While the subject matter is about basketball, I think Kevin Arnovitz makes some really persuasive arguments as applied to the AFL.

Think about the kerfuffle about Archie Perkins saying, very honestly and I think fairly, that he didn’t want to go interstate, and suggested non-Victorian clubs should select someone else. There were accusations of draft tampering, but isn’t this a perfectly reasonable request for an 18 year old to have some agency on where he lives?

Given you’ve got 40-odd players on an AFL list and 22 players in a team, I don’t think the salary cap or positional fit would be as great a leveller in the AFL as in the NBA, so draftees selecting their clubs free agent style would probably funnel talent too much towards the more powerful clubs, but I think something like ‘The Match’ might be an interesting approach.

I’m not sure what sort of system would work, but I think a system whereby players have some say on where they go should be looked at. Perhaps players can have a certain number of vetos or nominate a certain number of clubs (say at least 6). Perhaps a non-nominated club is still entitled to draft a player, but then must on-trade that player to one of the six clubs nominated by the player (the AFL might need to reverse the order of draft and trade period). Perhaps the AFL sets the salaries of draftees based on draft position, so that if a players slides down the order on the basis of a nomination they will be paid less in the first two years of their career. At the moment AFL draftees picked in the first 20 get $95,000 in 2019 plus $4000 per senior match. Perhaps the AFL lets the first 5 picks in the draft earn more on their draft contract on a sliding scale, and (if needed) outside the salary cap (eg, pick 1 gets $400k, pick 2 $300k, pick 3 $200K pick 4 $150K) to encourage them not to nominate outside the bottom few teams.

Let’s use the example of Jamarra Ugle-Hagan this year. Let’s say before the draft he nominates Geelong, Richmond, Collingwood, Carlton, Essendon, Hawthorn (but not the Western Bulldogs). The Bulldogs would have a choice – pick JUH and get the best value from a trade with one of those other clubs (perhaps Collingwood packaged up Stephenson and two future first round picks) or simply select the next available talent that has them on the list.

I know it will never happen as the AFL is determined to protect the smaller Victorian clubs and NSW/Queensland clubs, and AFL clubs and agents will probably find too many loopholes to game the system, but I think there will be a time in the not too distant future when sending kids to far-flung parts of the country against their wishes in the name of equalisation of a sporting competition will be difficult to justify.

There is an element of luck in drafting anyway. If you move players around a few spots in each draft based on their preference, I'm not even convinced clubs would end up worse off over a long period of time.
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pollyanna Kill the AFL Draft 3 years 4 months ago #2

pollyanna
I am - Archie should've been taken out of the draft for that declaration. The rest of the world goes to work where the work is, there's only so many jobs in the Maldives (or Paris, or I don't know - Saskatoon perhaps). If you don't want to go to a club take up a trade or go on the dole.
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Hamihill Kill the AFL Draft 3 years 4 months ago #3

Hamihill
Honesty is a good trait but not in job interviews....
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Morgan Kill the AFL Draft 3 years 4 months ago #4

Morgan
There are quite a few professional footballing jobs in Melbourne.
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Walter the baker Kill the AFL Draft 3 years 4 months ago #5

Walter the baker
Unfortunately some of these kids think they are being employed (drafted) by an individual AFL club to play footy. In reality they are being paid by the AFL corporation to provide entertainment. The AFL decides the rules (not the club’s) and the kids have to agree to those rules if they want a job in the AFL. If not they can play in local leagues.
I could have nominated for a job with BHP or Woodside and doubled my salary but it might have meant that they would require me to work in Karatha or Port Headland. I chose not to because I wanted to stay in Fremantle. That could have cost me mega bucks over a career. That was my choice and not the fault of BHP or Woodside,
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fradonjan Kill the AFL Draft 3 years 4 months ago #6

fradonjan
yes Morgan,especially at AFL,HQ
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Dr Sleep Kill the AFL Draft 3 years 4 months ago #7

Dr Sleep
I agree draft needs to be fixed. But simplify it. Too much jiggery pokery now. It’s turned into a mathematical game for peoples entertainment. The footy game is supposed to be the entertainment not the draft.

A club gets a draft selection based on their performance during the year. Last through to first and then restart from the bottom. If a team wants to tank to get draft pick, let them. it’s one pick. No swapsies. No moving up or down to get the blokes you want. If you want them, pick them. If someone else gets them. Too bad. Move onto your next best pick.

From the players perspective. You sign up to the draft cause you want to play footy. If it’s here, Melbourne or Tasmania. Doesn’t matter. If you aren’t up for the potential of moving interstate, dont sign up for the draft. Plenty of kids who miss out and would give the back teeth to play at the elite level.

Simple, clear and fair.

As for NGA’s etc clubs should be doing that for the benefit of the sport and for improving the youngsters. If they think they’ve got a gem then try and pick them in draft. If the club misses out, hope they’ve made a good impression to bring them over when the kids contract is up.
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pollyanna Kill the AFL Draft 3 years 4 months ago #8

pollyanna
Those stalling time wasters should be penalised for the agonising wait that comparatively made that slow train ride movie into an action packed ride of thrills. Those clubs stalled and dilly-dallyed so long you could've heard the intricacies of the Queensland governments finer details allowing indoor dancing, together but within the 2 square metre rule, three times over.

I'm serious - they get 4 seconds next year, if they take 4.2 seconds it's recorded as a "pass" and they get 2 seconds in the next draft.
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TheColonel Kill the AFL Draft 3 years 4 months ago #9

TheColonel
Nope.
Let the clubs take the first 2 from their NGA
Then it is open slather from there on with the draft as is without pick swaps/trades.
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Morgan Kill the AFL Draft 3 years 4 months ago #10

Morgan
Wtb, when was the last time you or anyone you know applied for a job where there was no location specified? Maybe the Armed Forces?

Employers can’t make you move states. If your employer wants you to move and you didn’t want to, worst case scenario is you may no longer have employment with that company, but you could choose between moving or seeking employment with a company closer to home. The AFL is denying you employment in a job you are uniquely qualified for if you don’t move states.
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DS Kill the AFL Draft 3 years 4 months ago #11

DS
Just imagine the AFL’s reaction if the top WA prospect said he wanted to stay home and play for a West Australian club. It would have been immediate and ballistic.

The AFL has now opened the door for every draft to be compromised by draftees nominating their club of choice.
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The_Yeti Kill the AFL Draft 3 years 4 months ago #12

The_Yeti
Yeah, Morgan, that's incorrect.

Some employers can make you move states, especially if it's one of the conditions that you needed to agree with prior to being employed.

Not just the armed forces but there are a number of Federal Departments / Organisations where you can be transferred interstate at the decision of your employer. My organisation is one of them.

Even non-government entities can force you to move states but that generally only applies to executive staff who get paid so much they probably wouldn't notice.

Certainly, a non-government employer cannot force you to move states if you're prepared to resign your job but a number of Federal Agencies certainly can.

As far as draftees are concerned, they signed up for the draft after providing informed consent. If they are unprepared to meet the conditions, they can play football in their home state competitions. The AFL isn't denying them employment as football players. The AFL / clubs have zero obligation to provide top tier positions for players who won't agree to the working conditions. They have that freedom of choice, like miners. Go on-site for the dollars or stay home for a lot less money.

If the AFL denied you access to the WAFL, VFL etc maybe you would have a point but that has never been the case.
Egurls Suck!
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Raglan Matt Kill the AFL Draft 3 years 4 months ago #13

Raglan Matt
The first step to fixing the draft would be to ban the visual media. Get rid of the showboating, the pandering to commercial interests and revenue streams. Hold it behind closed doors, and announce the results with a media release that goes out to all media at the same time. Do you see Scotty Everywhere turning the federal budget into a 6 hour x 2 day media fest? No.
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mac Kill the AFL Draft 3 years 4 months ago #14

mac
I was very never happy having to go and play a away game which I could miss the start of Countdown or worst the Winners.
Plus the club ruling that you had to stay after training, eat a couple pies sink a few Swan Lagers and wait until for the team list which could be at 9pm ( on a School Night )
The stress was unbearable knowing my girlfriend would be out alone at Pinocchios until I was released.
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