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TOPIC: Free agency

Walter the baker Free agency 3 years 6 months ago #1

Walter the baker
An interesting take in free agency and “destination clubs” (although Zac Williams may have a different take on things)


www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/free-agency-...20201019-p566lc.html
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cletus Free agency 3 years 6 months ago #2

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Its more than an 'interesting take'. Its exactly right, and its a problem.

It needs to be addressed, it undoes all the equalisation efforts of the draft, and the 'destination clubs' should have to offer up more for such a player.

Pretty easy to be a 'great coach' or 'great club' when you ' ve got the competition's best & most experienced players literally falling over themselves to get into the club.

Spend a few more moments pondering the ills of free agency, and you then respect one club players like Pav & Mundy a whole heap more....
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The_Yeti Free agency 3 years 6 months ago #3

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There's no real choice.

Free agency (AFL style) was brought in to avoid having to fight restraint of trade actions brought on by players who want to go the clubs of their choice when out of contract. Guess what? They still want to go to clubs of their choice when out of contract.

The only equalisation measures that will impact that are salary caps and list sizes.

The article is correct as far as it goes but it doesn't really say that much when you think about it but suggesting that 'destination clubs' should have to pay more isn't really a solution because it would collapse at the first legal challenge.

Perhaps a better idea would be to rate players by points, similar to the WAFL, where a Fyfe is worth X points but a Blakely would be rated much lower. Then you have a points cap.

That way a Tom Lynch or Jeremy Cameron can go to the club of their choice, provided the club has space in it's points cap. The player can nominate where he wants to go but if the club can't fit him in then it's much harder to claim restraint of trade.

There is also the added benefit of spreading the available talent. It would be foolish to load your team with Abletts, Dangerfields, Camerons etc and as a result ending up with a reduced playing list or having almost no depth. Lose one or two players to injury and you start losing games because you can't make up the difference.

I'm sure that an idea along those lines can be implemented without 'too' much trouble but I'm equally sure that the AFL would find a way to rort any such system.
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goodie Free agency 3 years 6 months ago #4

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It was a pretty basic analysis in the article. There have been plenty of players asking to go to lower/less fashionable clubs but they don't get mentioned. Just from Freo, Hill wanted St.Kilda, Langdon went to Melbourne, and Brisbane were hardly world beaters when Neale asked to go.
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hypen Free agency 3 years 6 months ago #5

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Cletus, how did Brisbane go from being a place no-one wanted to go to, to a place lots of young players now want to go to?

The kids will say they are homesick, they will say they want to win a flag. The truth is that's easier than saying I don't like my coach. Ask Neale.

Small industry, word will already be out on Longmuir watch them flock back.
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The_Yeti Free agency 3 years 6 months ago #6

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Yeah, naaah, hypen. Neale was being sooky.

I didn't think much of the bloke either but ya didn't see me trotting off to Brisbane over it.
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Raglan Matt Free agency 3 years 6 months ago #7

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The fact that you didn't have to listen to him behind closed doors probably influenced your decision, Yeti.
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purple kit Free agency 3 years 6 months ago #8

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Thankfully Cameron is a restricted free agent, so GWS will probably get two of Geelong’s first round picks via a trade (and our pick 10 won’t get pushed back to pick 11 by the compo pick they would have received at pick 9)
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Straddo Free agency 3 years 5 months ago #9

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Just playing devil's advocate here, of course good players want to go to successful clubs, and of course successful clubs want to recruit good players. It isn't rocket science.

Perhaps some of the less successful clubs(ie Freo) need to look at how and who they're drafting. Wiser pundits than me have bemoaned Freo overlooking local talent for years, only to chase after the "big fish" that will lead us to glory. The result? We've got picks 10 and 28. Geelong who maintain their policy of not paying overs for stars, and are playing in the GF have picks 11, 13, 18, 34 and 90.

To become a destination club there are three aspects as I see it, being successful, having a good club culture and having good people. I wonder how potential players would rate us on these metrics?
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The_Yeti Free agency 3 years 5 months ago #10

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Possibly so, RM.

It might have impacted on his life expectancy as well
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Corporal Agarn Free agency 3 years 5 months ago #11

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Well the folly of creating two teams that were given everything on a plate in non football areas is coming back to bite the AFL.
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Bizkit Free agency 3 years 5 months ago #12

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I'd disagree Straddo, Geelong didn't pick local in selecting Kelly and enjoyed a couple of great years from him before being armed with an arsenal of high draft picks when he left. They're now able to use those to upgrade Kelly.

Picking local at the draft just because they're from WA is a mistake unless you have two players of the same level and you think the home grown talent will benefit from staying here. Picking up Serong instead of Robertson who many here would have preferred was a fantastic move regardless of whether he wants to go home to Vic. He doesn't seem like the sort of kid to pack his bags and head back but if he did, we'd receive plenty in compensation because he's a better player.

We've been a winner in free agency more than a loser in any case. West Aussies have only 2 clubs to choose from and there's a lot of WA kids out there. Free agency is great for Freo.
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hypen Free agency 3 years 5 months ago #13

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Over the stretch though if you keep taking the best available local talent, you'll come out on top.
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Morgan Free agency 3 years 5 months ago #14

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Yeti is completely correct that free agency isn’t tool of equalisation, but instead is a concession by the AFL to players and the AFLPA in order to retain the actual equalisation measures: specifically the salary cap and the draft. From the league’s point of view, it’s a necessary evil.

From the players’ point of view, it is a completely reasonable request that they have some say in the way their careers – or put another way their working life – plays out.

The pearl-clutching whenever a marquee player signs with a contender is a bit overblown.

My sense is that over a long period free agency favours some teams more than others (I think Freo will do well out of free agency), but in the short term it allows strong teams to extend their premiership windows. But as we’ve seen with Hawthorn, who for a while had first dibs on many free agents, when the equalisation measures kick in the appeal to free agents falls away. As pointed out, Brisbane demonstrates that even smaller clubs who can build through the draft, appoint a good coach and demonstrate they are in contention can benefit from free agency.

Personally, I think the AFL needs to do more to incentivise players to stay with their clubs. I never understood why the AFL removed the veterans exemption from the cap, for example.

I admire players who stick with one club, and while it’s fun to portray Neale as a bit of a sook, he was at Freo for 7 years and few people these days stay at one employer for that long. In my career, about 5 years is the longest I’ve stayed at one employer before I’ve moved on, so I shouldn’t really judge him for leaving (though because it involves my footy team I do).

Also, for what it’s worth, I think clubs need to (and do) consider retention of players when they draft, but it doesn’t mean they need to take WA kids. Brayshaw is an example of player who has a great chance of being retained because of family connections (and perhaps a misplaced sense of loyalty) even though he is from Victoria. We’ve had a pretty decent track record with players from country Victoria, for example. But if I had a choice between a kid from WA and a kid from Melbourne, and it wasn’t immediately obvious who would be better, I would take the WA kid every time.
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