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TOPIC: Woosha's legacy

Walter the baker Woosha's legacy 3 years 6 months ago #1

Walter the baker
Following the departures of McKenna, Saad and Daniher (with Merret not far behind) reports continue to be aired regarding Essendon's in-fighting and poor culture. Given the culture at WCE while Woosha was in charge, it seems fair to say that looking players in the eye may not be the best technique for developing a healthy environment at an AFL club. Can Freo please make sure that it avoids a Woosha hat trick.
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shane Woosha's legacy 3 years 6 months ago #2

shane
I think the gutlessness to not sack Worsfold when they wanted to was a bigger indicator of the culture problem. Going back to the supplements scandal, it seems like there are too many off-field people thinking they are the ones playing the game and the footballers are their game pieces.

They didn't want to embarrass Worsfold, or look like they had made a mistake, at the expense of having a coherent management structure.

A football department should be the servant of the players, not the other way around.
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pollyanna Woosha's legacy 3 years 6 months ago #3

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It seems to me that the Bummers are experiencing what we partially avoided at the end of last year. We made a move early and righted the ship before Ed and Stephen's brother (his name escapes me) set a trend that could've opened the floodgates. We offered hope and everyone embraced it - we will reap the benefits for years to come.

The Bummers should do the same - take a deep breath, rebuild via the draft and accept a few years in the lower end of the table. No big deal.

North, on the other hand, are in big strife - they have scatter shot their playing list, gutted their coaching and administration - they only thing possible to look forward to is a relocation to the Apple Isle and a rebuild through local talent. We're talking over a decade with that lot.
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slammen Woosha's legacy 3 years 6 months ago #4

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I see it A bit differently, first I want to say I don't want Woosha at Freo.

I think Essendon has callapsed under Rutten , the first thing he did was change the attack attack attack game style whoosha had them playing, similar to the bulldogs and the saints , I think they were good at cutting through teams when they played that way, now it's more of a stop start team and that didn't suit players like Saad, Mckenna , Tippa , McGrath and Merrett.

It seems that Essendon and the media wanted Whoosha to take all the blame when things went wrong but heaped all the praise Ruttens way when things went well, it was clear that rutten was the coach and Whoosha had been pushed to the bench and I think that's what made Whoosha give it to the club in his last press conference, he could see all the cracks but no one at the club was listening to him.
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purple kit Woosha's legacy 3 years 6 months ago #5

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Hate to say it as we don’t normally agree on things but Slammo is spot on here, the current exodus needs to be levelled at The new coach and the overall managing of the transition.

Reiterate that in no way whatsoever do I want to see worsefold in any capacity at Freo in the future.
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shane Woosha's legacy 3 years 6 months ago #6

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Worsfold could have taken the hint and left with some dignity.
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Morgan Woosha's legacy 3 years 6 months ago #7

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I might be wrong about this, but Woosha seems like a symptom of Essendon’s problems more than a cause. He always seemed to me to be the type of coach who put out the witches hats and worked with the players; he doesn’t seem like a political animal (like a Sheedy or Lyon) or someone who was going to try and recast a club in his image. Rightly or wrongly, I think he left that to others (or no-one).

That made him a perfect pick for the power-brokers of a club that embarked on a systematic and experimental supplement/doping regime and yet still felt like the aggrieved party when it came to light. He is someone who gives the impression of a ‘steady hand’, but is who wouldn’t challenge the status quo.

I think you’re right about North Polly. They’ve been putting off a proper rebuild forever, in part because the people running the place didn’t know for certain the club would come out the other side of it. There are too many teams in Melbourne, so there will always be a rotating cast of mendicant clubs like North, St Kilda, Footscray and Melbourne hoping they aren’t closest to the drain when the Pay TV money plug gets pulled. My view about whether Melbourne clubs survive has been generally indifferent, but I know a lot of North fans and I reckon they’d be lost to the AFL rather than jump to another club. Hopefully the AFL has learned something from how they handled Fitzroy.

I’d rather the league as a whole prop up a Tassie team than the 9th Melbourne club (or GC17 for that matter), but the hard-heads will point to population, attendance and TV ratings – not to mention the North/South divide – as reasons that can’t happen. They’re probably right, but it’s a shame.
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Raglan Matt Woosha's legacy 3 years 6 months ago #8

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Woosha had a reputation as a hard & straight through fella on the field as a player, but he hasn't been prepared to be hard & straight up at either club he has coached. Lyon has been much the same on & off field. Clubs need to do thier homework before they get stars in their eyes, not after.
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Blue1red1 Woosha's legacy 3 years 6 months ago #9

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North Should be sent to Darwin, let the Saints freeze in Tassie.
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Quasimodo Woosha's legacy 3 years 6 months ago #10

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North have always been a basket case without a real identity in Melbourne.
Geographically they are sandwiched, they had 2 eras of success mid 70s when Bob Ansett bought them premierships and then the Pagan Carey era where they had a once in a century player and a coach with the common sense to build a team around him and his ego.

The supporters you talk about Morgan are probably the same ones I know they were all 10 year old boys in 1975 and NM were the glamour VFL team so they support them because they saw Mal Blight kick a torp watching the winners,. they are the Australian equivalent of Man Utd supporters.

The best thing the AFL could do is make them disappear they are a worse basket case than Fitzroy, just merge them with Carlton or Footscray, they have no Melbourne supporter base anyway.
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The_Yeti Woosha's legacy 3 years 6 months ago #11

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Yeah, RM, Woosee's 'hard and straight on the field' generally involved his target's blind side, so I'm not convinced that he deserves huge wraps.

As for off the field, his legacy involves a few really important names that crashed and burned on his watch. Sometimes the 'whatever it takes to win' attitude just needs to be taken out of the game. There was no danger of that happening under Nissie, who to be fair was probably being distracted by imaginary golf games.

I don't want him at Freo in any capacity. Freo should ban him even from attending our home derby. It's a pity we can't photoshop him out but I think pollyanna has the patent on that one.
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Raglan Matt Woosha's legacy 3 years 6 months ago #12

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Maybe I should have said;
Woosha had a "reputation" as a hard & straight through fella on the field as a player


Yeti, I agree with you on the point you make. The courageous and hard men of the game are the ones that stand under the footy as well, when it's their turn to do that.
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Quasimodo Woosha's legacy 3 years 6 months ago #13

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The hardest footballer I ever saw was Robert Harvey, as far as I know he never shirt ftronted or struck anyone during his career, but ask the blokes who tagged and ran with him for 4 quarters how hard he was.
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ghq Woosha's legacy 3 years 6 months ago #14

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I don't particularly want Woosha at Fremantle, unless requested by our inimitable coach.
However to try and rewrite history about his playing days is somewhat farcical.
I can think of a hell of a lot of players I'd rather have faced up to than Worsfold and I think most
that played on him would think the same. Just another rock solid South's product !
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