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TOPIC: Cutting Block/ Trades

NPK Cutting Block/ Trades 3 years 7 months ago #1

NPK
My at risk players of the axe and for trading

Colyer
Blakely
Bewley
Giro
Banfield
North
Dixon
Matera
Meek

Thoughts ?
How many do we have to drop for next year ? It’s going to be harder than initially thought i reckon.
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Gumnut Cutting Block/ Trades 3 years 7 months ago #2

Gumnut
Of your list I think Colyer and Bewley are safe. Colyer, age & experience. Bewley a good user of the ball when he's playing, which is whenever he's fit. These guys always manage to get a spot and seem to be 2 of JLo's favourite role players.
I'd keep Meek and Dixon, As much as I like what Blakely offers I don't think he is giving the coaching panel what they require of him consistently enough which is a pity and he could end up as trade bait in the current list slashing climate.
The others Giro, Banfield, North and Matera suffer from the number of similar players who have performed to higher level in AFL matches. Banfield does offer a bit as tagger or pressure forward and Matera has had plenty of chances but not locked down a spot and Giro is talked about enthusiastically on coming back from injury so it's a bit hard to read as to who is in JLo's good books other than those who form the bulk of our regular lineup each week.
Interesting times ahead.,
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gidgegary Cutting Block/ Trades 3 years 7 months ago #3

gidgegary
The list size for next year has not yet been announced by the AFL (correct me if I am wrong) so it's unclear how many need to be cut. If the list reduces by seven, remember that teams need to have a minimum three picks in the Draft (correct me if I am wrong), that means 10 guys have to be delisted or retired. Does Stephen Hill have a contract for 2021? Any other impending retirements? D Mundy a certainty to go round again, he is in better form now than 5 years ago.

The list shedding has already begun with McCarthy, Carter, O'Reilly, Butters gone.
I'm pretty sure that Banfield, North, Meek and Matera will be gone. Connor Blakely to be traded for a very late pick.
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purple kit Cutting Block/ Trades 3 years 7 months ago #4

purple kit
I think you guys are missing the mark, there are guys not even being considered for a game like Valente, Thomas and Pina who would go before Banfield and Blakely.
Matera and Colyer may have age against them, but I think the latter will still be safe as a depth player.
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Gumnut Cutting Block/ Trades 3 years 7 months ago #5

Gumnut
It's a pity really, that in any other year those three, Valente, Pina and Thomas, would be plying their trade each week in the WAFL and may have proven their worth however from what's been written of the scratch matches during the season they've probably done all they could to keep their spots for next season. A tough call but the Crows may come calling for Valente and the other kids waiting on the list size decision from AFL. This prolonged decision making is very unfair on the clubs and most importantly for all the talented kids on the verge of a career at the moment. Not sure of Pina and Thomas'tenure as first season rookies and interesting that they've been retained this long when their fellow rookies, O'Reilly and Butters, were shown the door prior to the Cairns hub.
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shane Cutting Block/ Trades 3 years 7 months ago #6

shane
I still don't understand why they would cut list sizes and not top end salaries. I don't think rich footballers understand why they get paid. They're not productive members of the economy.

The poor players need their own union.
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Bizkit Cutting Block/ Trades 3 years 7 months ago #7

Bizkit
Any cuts to list sizes will be done over a period of years, they won't just suddenly drop it to 38. They'll likely shave a few off this year and then more again next year.

That'll also mean removing the minimum number of draft picks required to be taken although I'd imagine every club would want 3 kids at least anyway.
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shane Cutting Block/ Trades 3 years 7 months ago #8

shane
I can remember three seasons where we've run out of footballers. It's ludicrous. There should be more opportunities for a career in football, not less, just to keep the top players earning.

The myth of needing to keep contracts high so that kids going to basketball and soccer never panned out. More professional opportunities means less risk at devoting your time to the sport.

It's just about greed.
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rogerrocks Cutting Block/ Trades 3 years 7 months ago #9

rogerrocks
I agree with Shane. From now on seasons should run like normal, and the money will come in, so don't cut the list size.
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pollyanna Cutting Block/ Trades 3 years 7 months ago #10

pollyanna
I'm fully against drafting little fellas, turning them into meatballs and then cutting them loose after two years to become potatoes.
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purplepower Cutting Block/ Trades 3 years 7 months ago #11

purplepower
Apparently the dockers will target young midfielders with ball winning capabilities and dash , GWS and GC have some mids out of contract....we have room in our salary cap but we won’t be landing a big fish for another 12 months.....any thoughts?
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Morgan Cutting Block/ Trades 3 years 7 months ago #12

Morgan
I’m not so worried about the AFL list size at the margins. There was a stat thrown around a while ago that the top 31 players on each list play 98 per cent of the season combined across the league. I think I’d be ok with slightly smaller AFL list sizes if there was a genuine mid-season draft.

But in my mind the more pressing challenge is that there is no real second-tier professional league (the WAFL salary cap is around the same as one average AFL player’s salary).

On the AFLPA, I feel like the upper-echelon of salaries is now high enough - most people would say if you earn over a $1 million a year you are doing very well - the focus for the AFLPA should really be on the lower-mid tier players. I’d probably start with maximum player salary tied either to the salary cap or minimum salary.

But other than minimum salaries, the AFL and AFLPA have left the clubs to their own devices, and so there’s the thorny question of where clubs should spend their player salary. I think players and clubs fall into the trap of overestimating how much the superstar players contribute to wins. The AFLPA and clubs seem to be operating on the 80/20 rule, that 20% of the players are responsible for 80% of how good a team is. As I’ve argued before, I think that might be true of sports like basketball, but with Aussie Rules where you’ve got 18 blokes running around a huge field and each of them need to contribute to scoring a goal, I don’t think it’s a good way to build a list or remunerate players.

As for the players on your list NPK, I think they are mostly on the margins and I wouldn’t be too fussed either way if they were retained or let go. The two exceptions are probably Bewley who is nominally our starting wingman (which perhaps speaks to our dearth of outside runners more than anything) and Blakely. Blakely is being squeezed at both ends – Mundy is timeless and Serong has taken his chance at such a young age – so I can’t see Blakely being a regular for us, and he’s too good to sit on a list not being played. I don’t think he’d have a heap of trade value, so I wouldn't be suprised if we release him from his contract, he’ll sign with another club and play well for them.
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Walter the baker Cutting Block/ Trades 3 years 7 months ago #13

Walter the baker
Allelujah, Shane!!
At a time when corporate executives are copping stick for ludicrous salaries while they retrench low earning workers, the AFL and its players shouldn't be immune from the same analysis.
You could easily afford to keep on 3-5 additional fringe players by trimming back at the top end. What would be the down side of making Danger, Fyfe, Buddy, Dusty, NicNat reduce their salaries by $200k p.a.? One less Mercedes in the garage? Does anyone think they would stop playing footy?
If clubs were forced to fit extra players into the salary cap, while also having guaranteed minimum wages that adequately compensate all players, then the money would have to be spread out more evenly.
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shane Cutting Block/ Trades 3 years 7 months ago #14

shane
That's not how markets work, Morgan. Clubs don't just decide what to pay someone.
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