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The_Yeti 'Very small amount' have asked for refunds 4 years 3 weeks ago #29

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What would happen to the club, hypen?

They'd have to be bailed out by the owners / State Government / AFL.

That isn't a consideration however under Fair Trading laws. We have those laws for a reason and it doesn't make exceptions for football franchises. Ok, I agree it puts Freo in a bad spot financially, along with 14 other clubs.

I just cannot agree with you that Freo FC should just take other people's money, not provide a product and then keep the money because otherwise they might go under. Yes, I want Freo to be here next year (and longer) but this is not the way to do it. If people get to make an informed choice and let Freo keep their money, that's great but I can't accept them doing that by stealth.

It was wrong when Christopher Skase did it. It was wrong when Alan Bond did it. It was wrong when a whole bunch of convicted crims did it and it's not suddenly ok because Freo FC wants to do it.

Would you accept it if Harvey Norman took your money and then didn't supply your fridge or TV? Then gave you an explanation saying we have to do this or we won't be here next year to sell you a TV. I doubt that you would be arguing for that.

Who knows, a bit of frugality here might be beneficial for the entire industry.
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hypen 'Very small amount' have asked for refu isnds 4 years 3 weeks ago #30

hypen
If I bought a fridge and then a pandemic set in and I didn't get my fridge I'd be a little annoyed. Not sure If I'd ring the ACCC what with social distancing we'd struggle to cobble a jury together.

Let's see how civilization is impacted by all this and you entitled few can get back to what you do best; worrying about yourselves.

I hope your membership crisis is the worst thing that happens to you all through this.
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Davo 'Very small amount' have asked for refunds 4 years 3 weeks ago #31

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Paying for something and getting nothing happens all the time. They're called gift cards.
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shane 'Very small amount' have asked for refunds 4 years 3 weeks ago #32

shane
Look, hypen wants his football club to survive and he's conscripting you all to pay for it. Think of the children you bastards.
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Drubbing 'Very small amount' have asked for refunds 4 years 3 weeks ago #33

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Hypen, you'd still get your fridge after the pandemic. The analogical argument here is Gerry Harvey says you can't have your fridge at all. He says he needs the money more than you do.

You seem well placed to do without your money and are happy for FFC to have it. Others aren't so lucky. FFC should be talking rollovers to 2021, not holding back to see how many squeal first.
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Noddy 'Very small amount' have asked for refunds 4 years 3 weeks ago #34

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If someone wants their dosh back I can’t see that not happening. It’s not in any clubs interest to disengage from their fan base. No fans, no club.

Some people are more sensitive to the way things are done, even if that is for a very good reason ie financial survival.

Don’t wait for a Limo to pick you up, give them a call and Follow up email to politely ask for your money back and take it from there.
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The_Yeti 'Very small amount' have asked for refunds 4 years 3 weeks ago #35

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While I understand the point you're making, hypen and I also want the club to survive, I just can't agree with the way they are doing it. If you want to act like a club, then act like a club. Tell the members up front what the state of play is and tell them that you need their money to survive.

All for one and one for all. That's how a 'club' operates.

If you want to act as a commercial entity and not a club ie. we don't want your input because we make the decisions, then you get treated that way and are held accountable. That corporate entity took the money under particular circumstances and is obligated to produce what people have paid for or return their money.

If they want to keep that money, they should put a case to the members and ask, not help themselves. The fact that they treat the members with disdain then pretend to be a club when times get hard doesn't help their case.

I have no doubt that given a choice, a large number of people will agree to donate that to the club but again, it needs to be by choice and not by stealth.

By the way, what does 'refu isnds' mean?
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hypen 'Very small amount' have asked for refunds 4 years 3 weeks ago #36

hypen
I'll refund your money Shane if you give me a pallet of the toilet rolls you're hoarding.
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shane 'Very small amount' have asked for refunds 4 years 3 weeks ago #37

shane
You can have them. They're 3 ply.

We didn't defeat Hitler in WW2 to end up using 3 ply toilet paper.
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hypen 'Very small amount' have asked for refunds 4 years 3 weeks ago #38

hypen
Well that's really Christian of you in a pandemic and all. Please note the lack of consideration does not void any warranties one would have expected had consideration for the rolls been given. It's a bona fide commercial transaction under common law, apocalypse or not as you rightly point out.
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shane 'Very small amount' have asked for refunds 4 years 3 weeks ago #39

shane
Seriously, though. We're talking about the football industry. This is some blokey blokes kicking a ball around and earning ridiculous amounts of money, then giving each other even better paying jobs after their natural skillset has deteriorated. Theoretically, 100 people could have kept their jobs if Ross Lyon wasn't getting paid to not fail this year. Nat Fyfe could keep dozens in work with a further 10% pay cut. The clubs didn't hesitate to sack everyone they didn't need as soon as possible. They are paying the elite people hundreds of thousands of dollars to not work but they couldn't hold onto the plebs for a few weeks. The reason they are struggling is because they have to give all the money back to the tv stations and corporate sponsors.

They are not your friend. They are corporations. Don't unchristian me.
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hypen 'Very small amount' have asked for refunds 4 years 3 weeks ago #40

hypen
Seriously, though. You're probably right. But you know, because of the times who gives a @#$_.
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shane 'Very small amount' have asked for refunds 4 years 3 weeks ago #41

shane
People who still believe in right and wrong.
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ICONDOCKER 'Very small amount' have asked for refunds 4 years 3 weeks ago #42

ICONDOCKER
I read the EPL club Tottenham has laid off 550 workers, a crazy number of people employed by a football club!
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