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Straddo Freo's Future 4 years 4 weeks ago #15

Straddo
Crystal Ball 2021

Following the time of the great hand cleansing, the AFL attempts to get back to normal. Unfortunately half the population is broke after a significant loss of income and with no assets to fall back on. No footy for these folks. Another 40% of the population deferred interest and other payments to escape relatively unscathed through 2020 but are now suffering the consequences of letting that interest accumulate and having to back pay their bills, they're watching footy on Kay2.0 the new sports service that has arisen from the ashes of Foxtel and Kayo. The last 10% are the rich, the deranged and the one-eyed. For them the last 12 months is nothing but a fuzzy and fading memory, so what if the club didn't refund all their rent, they barely noticed it. They'll still be there week in and week out, but the clubs are smaller and more tight-knit. In general across the game there might be less corporatisation as companies fund their rebuild instead of thinking about sport. Less money will mean a ratio of coaches to players of less than 1:1 and the lessons learnt may bring back some general humility and appreciation of the game.
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Raglan Matt Freo's Future 4 years 4 weeks ago #16

Raglan Matt
John Wren will be laughing his head off, next we will have the pony races back.
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CaptSnooze Freo's Future 4 years 4 weeks ago #17

CaptSnooze
A neat nutshell summary of the capitalist system by Mushroom, but for my 2 cents worth...:
AFLW has successfully engaged a new demographic, and is very watchable with players still semi-professional only, AFLW to survive and continue to grow.

The bloated and expensive male game on the other hand - an 'industry' as it is often called - is facing quantum change. As well as managing on less, to retain a full season with 18 teams and reduced lists, the AFL will have to do something about the chronic rate of injuries and player burnout. Shortening the game for example, gives clubs a chance to remain competitive throughout the whole season, and maintains a high-quality product to generate the revenue. Paycuts all round will hopefully be offset by less injuries to players.
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Raglan Matt Freo's Future 4 years 4 weeks ago #18

Raglan Matt
Captn Snooze, I think that going back to umpiring with the rules as they were before the media and "professional coaches" took over the game would bring the injury rate back.
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The_Yeti Freo's Future 4 years 4 weeks ago #19

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If it's injury rate reduction you want, then you really need to implement a multi step process to reduce those factors that promote injury probabilities.

I. Reduce the travel burden - so no more Queensland, Tasmania
II. Apply the rules even handedly, so that some team's players can stop getting whacked in the head while others are protected
III. Set fire to the rules committee... or something, then get rid of the stupid uneccessary rules like nominating for ruck, stop rewarding head ducking, stop rewarding players who 'trip' over opponents who are going for the ball...things like that
IV. Shorten the quarters - cap time on at 5 minutes max
V. Stop playing a Winter game in the Summer months.

.....and yeah, naaah, won't happen
Egurls Suck!
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ICONDOCKER Freo's Future 4 years 3 weeks ago #20

ICONDOCKER
The often discussed here 12 team comp
22 games H & A
Freo, Other Mob
Port, Crows
Bris, Sydney
Richmond, Collingwood
Hawthorn, Geelong
NT Blues
Tas Demons
Back to the VFL for the rest
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Mushroom Freo's Future 4 years 3 weeks ago #21

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Isn’t it interesting how conversations develop?

The question asked is what you think about Freo broadcasting a message that the club might not survive, and the response gets to player injury rates will decrease.

You need clubs to exist and injuries to occur to be able to measure that there are fewer injuries than before.

The cash generating potential doesn’t disappear overnight, no, but think of airline companies with planes on the ground right now. People are going to want to start flying again in the future. Some airlines will be able to - they have the asset reserves there to crank up again. Some think they do but are conveniently ignoring their assets are owned by somebody else. Some accept their assets are owned by others and are rightly worried. SOme know that they will go to the wall. Unless you are in the first category, your future existence is going to hinge on some degree of benevolence from the credit overlords or you have to sell out to them and the future becomes very different to the past and present.

Where do you think Freo sit in this cascade?

In my mind, this is a very real concern and as Morgan says, Freo are right to be worried for all of us. The part of this that represents an opportunity is going to take a while to become clear enough that it will result in a better product, a better industry and be better for clubs and members.
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shane Freo's Future 4 years 3 weeks ago #22

shane
You have to take into account that other entities can make more money with Fremantle than without them. The AFL, the Eagles and the WA Government all benifits from the Dockers earning and paying the bills and they can all afford to keep Fremantle afloat.
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purple kit Freo's Future 4 years 3 weeks ago #23

purple kit
It is an interesting proposition though, I read an article on private ownership of AFL clubs that indicated the the going price would be 200-500m for an AFL club and that clubs like Freo would be at the bottom end of that range, if they could find a couple of billionaires to stump up 50m each for a qtr share then you’d only need 10,000 members to make a one off $1000 buy in, to own a share of our club. I reckon you’d be able to get that from dedicated Freo people.
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shane Freo's Future 4 years 3 weeks ago #24

shane
Why would you want that? They screw the supporters over enough as a not for profit entity. Imagine if there was a quid in it for someone.
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jezzaargh Freo's Future 4 years 3 weeks ago #25

jezzaargh
no Football Club is not a “not for profit” in the sense that term is traditionally used.

They may not be a corporation paying dividends to shareholders, but they are not charitable entities with charitable purposes; plenty of them make big fat profits/surpluses and pay staff massive wages.
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jezzaargh Freo's Future 4 years 3 weeks ago #26

jezzaargh
there is a good chance the “income free zone” that is 2020 will send some AFL clubs to the wall - there will be a survival instinct that kicks in that should see a lot of excess and fat driven out of the system.

hopefully it’s not grass roots and indigenous academies etc that are set back
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shane Freo's Future 4 years 3 weeks ago #27

shane
I imagine the ATO would be interested in your theory.
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hypen Freo's Future 4 years 3 weeks ago #28

hypen
My thoughts are the demand for AFL has never been higher and yes a situation where all clubs go insolvent is plausible. It will be temporary.

When this is all over and it will be over one day the first thing we'll ask is "where is the footy".

The nature of my work is we get very busy in uncertain economic times and production wise we are collecting back orders. That is what the economy and society is doing, collecting back orders.

The depression talk is as sensationalised as anything else right now.
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