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cletus M. Pickett. 4 years 7 months ago #29

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Not sure if it is 'culture' Matebe.....without knowing for sure, I'd guess all of them would have loved to have had the chance to travel a few suburbs away and train & play at a WA club.

It wasn't as if these blokes were hidden away, or somewhere we couldn't see them. Can't cry over spilt milk - but theres been plenty of noise about Kelly & Pickett well before they got picked up. Especially on DL.

And yep, WC missed them but their requirement for skillfull players are a bit less than ours over the past several years.

No. Its not culture...it was the 'gameplan'.

Did the club (RoLy) want free wheeling, 'play the game as they saw it' plays like Kelly, Picket, Stack??....and Barlow, whilst we are at it??.

No....and, if anything, that is the greatest blight upon 'The RoLy Years', where the dour, accountable, lock down, effort based role player was preferred over talented free wheelers.

Best example : RoLy stuck with T Bone Sheriden (25) rather than explore the Kellys & the Picketts, (26 &27).

Blind Freddy could see who had talent....but RoLy stuck with effort & a role player.

Haselby is dead right....those responsible for such calls have no place in the J-Lo era....and lets hope J-Lo releases a the restraints on the current list and allows some freedom.
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mac M. Pickett. 4 years 7 months ago #30

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The club just needs to focus more on whats on our doorstep and get more aggressive and professional approach..and get smarter with youngsters on the verge of playing WAFL.
How did we get one Hill and not the younger bro??
How did we get Pav? I reckon we had the pick in the draft that year and the boy didn't really want to come.
It wasn't because of our recruiters looking under a rock on the ovals in the North, South, East of our state and found gold.
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Docker by the Sea M. Pickett. 4 years 7 months ago #31

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CA just went back through the posts and there were two references to risk and one to the safe option, which I interpreted as the opposite to risk.
I don’t disagree, I wish we had him on our list.
My point was the other club in town also didn’t pick him up. Many believe the other club is evidence of what weneed to do more of to be better.
I think the Pickett story is sensational and by half time the only reason I continued to watch the game. Us picking him is very different to a club about to play in finals picking him. I asked the same question to a couple of Eagles supporters. How did we both miss him?
It looks to me that West Coast wouldn’t be needing to bend over backwards for Kelly if they had Pickett. Maybe a new home in different surroundings helped Richmond believe they could mitigate some of the risk factors. Maybe if he didn’t work out for Richmond they had other options.
On our side of things, we have taken risk with players with undoubted talent over the years and they haven’t planned out, Bennell, Hogan, Yarran, Sylvia. Perhaps a list can only carry so many players with these risk factors attached
M Pickett looks the goods and I struggle to comprehend why he isn’t on a WA AFL list.
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expat M. Pickett. 4 years 7 months ago #32

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If we picked Kelly & Pickett under Lyon, then they'd probably be playing down at Peel like Banfield.
Let's hope that J-Lo can see his potential and play him where he should.
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Raglan Matt M. Pickett. 4 years 7 months ago #33

Raglan Matt
Cletus is right, none of those players would have shown as much at Freo, and not because of culture. Wholly and soley because of coaching structures and game plans. Longmuir has already said that will change, and with that change will come an era where we do recruit those type of players to replace the listcloggers.
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themagoos M. Pickett. 4 years 7 months ago #34

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I think culture has some part to play in it. I think of the way Simpson got the bum's rush for what wasn't a shooting offense. The Slime have showed a deal of leniency toward Ryan on the other hand and have been rewarded for that. Who knows how good Simpson might've been if we had a culture of understanding the different circumstances behind the reasons some players make (in Simpson's decision, eg) an immature or rash decision instead of coming down hard on them. It wasn't great that Simpson skipped the plane but I still remember those few minutes he played as a super-sub and can't help wondering what might've been.
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Matebe M. Pickett. 4 years 7 months ago #35

Matebe
Go back through the indiscretions ever since Michael Johnson got caught in that city laneway and tell me there’s been nothing wrong with our culture.
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hypen M. Pickett. 4 years 7 months ago #36

hypen
It's all about people. With Lyon and Rosich we were going nowhere.
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pollyanna M. Pickett. 4 years 7 months ago #37

pollyanna
These are footballers that we draft or trade into the club. Gone are the days when we train them to be fools that waste their energy going no where.
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Raglan Matt M. Pickett. 4 years 7 months ago #38

Raglan Matt
Reel em off, Matebe, my memory is playing up.
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jas M. Pickett. 4 years 7 months ago #39

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With the end of the football season comes the tendency to ponder the deeper questions, and for me one of those revolves around the need to break out of the standard model of recruiting players - that they follow the prescribed format of underage representation, draft combines and then the draft itself, and if not drafted by the time they are out of their teens then its pretty much all over. I find it bizarre that a 21-22 year old is considered a 'mature age player'. I think back to me at 22, and I'm not sure how much of my decision making processes could be considered 'mature age'. Some people take longer than others to grow into themselves and figure out what's what, and perhaps the 17-18 year old private-school educated boys that seem to dominate the draft have an advantage in being able to appear mature at a younger age. We bemoan the fact that we missed Kelly & Pickett, but how many more are out there? How many have perhaps never played AFL, but would have been good players if only a club was willing to look a little deeper or take a risk, or have the systems in place to take on someone who perhaps needs additional support, or a different approach, and figure out how to make it work for them? We've had (and have) our own examples of such players, but they seem to be the exception rather than the norm. Richmond are now lauded as a club which takes such risks at makes them work, but what made them that way? If they seemed a basket case in 2016, how did they turn it around? And so what do we need to do at Freo to enable us to take such risks in the first place, and then make it work in the second?
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expat M. Pickett. 4 years 7 months ago #40

expat
Maybe if we move the club to Victoria... possibly Docklands?
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Raglan Matt M. Pickett. 4 years 7 months ago #41

Raglan Matt
Jas, the reason those private school boys are drafted is because they are the ones exposed early, and promoted through the age division comps. There are a lot of players out there who for one reason or another don't get to play state U/16 or U18's, but who are playing against seasoned older players from a young age, that is where players like Pickett & Kelly come from. The only trouble is the talent scouts have to do a bit of extra work to find them. Some do, some don't. We need to get some scouts who do.
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jas M. Pickett. 4 years 7 months ago #42

jas
And that is the point isn't it - that there is that one 'main' pathway where everyone's focus, resources and energy are directed, and so someone whose journey differs from that for whatever reason is less likely to be noticed. I guess that will always be the case (on the basis that it is the main pathway where most good players come from). However, the trick seems to be to ensure that you have a way of identifying those guys who come into the state league systems differently, and perhaps either mature later, or simply aren't particularly ready or inclined to devote themselves so single-mindedly to footy in their teens, but will still provide a decade of quality footy. It seems that they're largely hiding in plain sight, and it seems in many cases that the reason their not picked is because of something in their past that creates the impression that they won't cope. I'd say the key is to have that informal network of people who are on the pulse at lower levels, are good at identifying the guys who have 'it' lying beneath the surface, and who also trust the AFL club itself to do the right thing with that player, rather than just chew them up and spit them out. - I wonder if that has been our problem? Either the guys who knew players like Kelly and Pickett well didn't trust us (FFC) enough to tell us what they really thought of their ability to make the grade, or they did tell us and we didn't trust them? And if so, how easy is that to fix. I suspect it would take more than just a new coach and CEO - although the right choices for those jobs would be a good start.
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