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TOPIC: Coach vs Players

NPK Coach vs Players 4 years 9 months ago #1

NPK
whilst I strongly believe Ross should go, after watching yesterday’s game I am more disappointed in our players. With finals on the line that was a lackluster pathetic effort which gives me no confidence or heart that these are the players we should stick with for the future. If they dish up that sort of effort in a home and away season we have absolutely no chance in finals let alone a grand final. Ross can go but the players need to also take a long hard look at themselves and decide if they can stand up for each other in the purple army. I mean let’s face it...they are getting paid to put on the purple.
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shane Coach vs Players 4 years 9 months ago #2

shane
Maybe the players can count and didn't really believe the stuff about finals being on the line.
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freo00 Coach vs Players 4 years 9 months ago #3

freo00
When the players are banging there heads against a brick wall week in and week out and the wall doesn't move , they would think that this is not working .
They would like like to try something different but no , just keep banging is the order !
They have lost the will , and have a sore head !
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CaptSnooze Coach vs Players 4 years 9 months ago #4

CaptSnooze
There have been contrasting answers on getting to finals, between clubs in similar positions.
- Last week Clarkson, with a team in better form, admitted Hawthorn were only a mathematical chance to get to finals
- At the morning interview, Rosich said the club was fully focused on getting into finals.

The difference in approach is one honest and open, the other delusional and on-message from a marketing perspective.
Therein NPK lies the root of all the club's current issues. Polishing a poo only works for so long.
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CaptSnooze Coach vs Players 4 years 9 months ago #5

CaptSnooze
I think it quite likely that the coach may be the fall guy and quite soon. I don't think they can get away with another year under Ross, with all the speculation, and evidence of sustained mediocrity.
The only question is whether Rosich, in turfing his appointee out the door, should throw himself out too, for committing the club, its sponsors and members to a risky over-extension of a very expensive head coach.
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Quasimodo Coach vs Players 4 years 9 months ago #6

Quasimodo
id go a whole lot further than that. Our whole club governance needs to be reviewed and changed.

For a start lets be a real club where the people who pay to buy a seat are real members with a say and vote in who runs the club and the direction we take. Then let these members vote on a president and a board that actually give a stuff about the club and arent just padding out their CV.

Then have this board who represent the members not the bloody WAFC select a CEO with the skills to do the job. then select the head of footy and from there the coach and assistants

We were set up for mediocrity in 1994 and I am sick of it a. It is time to change the club and that has to start with a full review. We ill never be successful whilst faceless men with no passion for our club are in control..
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freoboy49 Coach vs Players 4 years 9 months ago #7

freoboy49
Interesting that the coach was prepared to say, "I think there is a lot of mediocrity around and we sit in that". What an admission from someone who I have thought has been incredibly glib and obtuse in all the press conferences I've seen, including when he was at the Saints.
But he is right.
Quasimodo has hit the nail on the head in saying that FFC was "set up for mediocrity in 1994" and for that we can blame the WAFC and the AFL jointly.
We came in with a culture born of the Fremantle working class heritage as well as the supporter passion that remains evident on this and other forums, but successive managements and Boards have seen us move a long way away from those early years, with no tangible benefit in terms of on-field achievements or results.
The last few weeks have convinced me that the supporters feel far more committed to the cause than the management, the coaches and (with some exceptions) the players — after all they are employees, who can shift their allegiances elsewhere (example Lachie Neale and others who follow him out the door this year).
And who employs all of them? Well, I use an analogy to answer that. Coles and Woolies, the banks, the airlines pay their employees, but they would not be there if there weren't customers coming into their shops, banks or flying with them. Does FFC exist because the AFL allows it to? Or should the attitude be that there are people out there who want to have a team to believe in, to feel confident will do their best, who present a professional and committed attitude from President to bootstudder.
Whether we like it or not, the team up the road has a culture built on excellence and performance and, putting aside lapses that have seen that image dented, they continue to live by it. Look at Geelong, Hawthorn, Collingwood, Richmond — outsiders can't be in any doubt that they are serious about what they do. I'm not convinced we are.
I'm afraid to do the calculation of 25 years times the cost of Mrs FB's and my seating at Subi and now Burswood and any joy and euphoria that we have felt over the years is fading fast.
The AFL does not run a fair or equitable fixture and we are treated as little more than a cash cow for their revenue. Our own dismal state of affairs does little to provide optimism for the future.
I'd love to be more cheery.
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expat Coach vs Players 4 years 9 months ago #8

expat
All I can say is... Thank God for the ETAF, otherwise we may have been more south than Gold Coast.
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Dockerplus Coach vs Players 4 years 9 months ago #9

Dockerplus
Oh that Elite Training Facility we have down in the shire of Cockburn.
It hasn't been everything it was made out to be to achieve the sustained success we were meant to have. It was however the main reason for relocating the club out of Fremantle.
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pollyanna Coach vs Players 4 years 9 months ago #10

pollyanna
It's never too late to get some elite training and admin people into that facility.
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darthmarto Coach vs Players 4 years 9 months ago #11

darthmarto
On this whole mediocrity thing, my view is being mediocre would put us around 9 in an 18 team competition.

At the moment, mediocrity looks a whole lot better than our present state.

And spotto of course.
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Drubbing Coach vs Players 4 years 9 months ago #12

Drubbing
Sustained aspiration to mediocrity?
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Detox Coach vs Players 4 years 9 months ago #13

Detox
Good post. Yes I agree when the team is going well the players are awesome and when they are going bad the coach is terrible. It does seem like the players always get off the hook way to easy unless of course your name is Danyle Pearce but like you said I still think Ross should be shown the door.
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The_Yeti Coach vs Players 4 years 9 months ago #14

The_Yeti
I don't see the players getting off light.

I do see where most of the posters who watch the games closely, make some allowances for said players being played out of position or being forced to use tactics that assist their opponents or any one of numerous decisions from off-field that don't allow the players to improvise or play with any natural flare.

It's actually quite unreasonable to blame the players when they are doing what they're being told to do by a coach that insists on maintaining a rigid control over the on-field actions.

I'd consider it unfair to blame them for skill errors when the focus of the training program is structures and fitness to the detriment of skills training.

Still the players cop plenty for poor play and poor decisions which as I've said is perhaps a little unfair at times.

My view is if you want to be the one calling all the shots, you don't get to blame others when those are the wrong shots to call.
Egurls Suck!
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