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TOPIC: Mental Health

Drubbing Mental Health 4 years 9 months ago #15

Drubbing
And this is why the coaches role isn't just about football.

I see a lot of Adam Simpson, his kids are in class with mine at primary and high school. He occasionally get to the primary assemblies. He hangs at the back, out of sight. I know why.

What was interesting was going to a talk he gave at the high school. It was about fathering with a busy job. He'd be busier than anyone else there. What was clear was his missus did all the heavy lifting. He also felt a heavy responsibility toward his squad - especially the young ones, helping them deal with the scrutiny. This takes away a lot of time to do the same thing for his own kids.

The Q&A after was virtually all, "how's Gaffy, Shooey, Hurny and Nicnat going, and how big a nobber was Wayne Carey to play with?"

He was mobbed with much the same afterwards, and probably got lots of tips about how to do his job better... I ate the leftover pizza.
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Mission Man Mental Health 4 years 9 months ago #16

Mission Man
Because we live in a secular age, where what used to be regarded as sins and then were regarded as flaws are now seen as medical conditions with less shame or responsibility attached, it may be that we are experiencing a reporting effect. These things have always been there, we just call them different things and notice them in different ways.

Maybe certain young dudes have always had mental health issues but we just called them lazy or stupid or drongoes or loose units or weirdos. Maybe the selfmedication they indulged in was of a different shape and hue and far more socially acceptable.

Maybe everyone who did the big thing that was supposed to be the best thing eventually realised it really wasn't all that but it is only now that we get Dusty Martin saying out loud that achieving all his personal goals left him a little empty and we have all got to the point where noone really thinks that is a weak or strange or unacceptable thing to say.

Not that my cliched observation helps. Once upon a time big fossilised bones were seen as dragons and now they are dinosaurs. Same amount of big fossilised bones. Same thing.

The things Shane has pointed out that interest me - especially as the father of a talented young footballer who has swallowed wholesale the AFL product - is how it has become a closed system which is fundamentally empty.

Because let's not kid ourselves, the flag which these young men bust their arses for is a fleeting construct.

They need to be able to get more from the journey than the imaginary end and football itself cannot be seen solely and wholly as the AFL.
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hypen Mental Health 4 years 9 months ago #17

hypen
I think back to my amatuer playing days when we branded blokes weak as @#$% and used to say they were spitting the dummy when really they just weren't coping with life very well. So I think in many ways you are right to say it's always been there but now reported differently. We didn't treat people who needed our help well at all.

I too have a talented son who walked away from the game last year, happiest day ever! I wouldn't want him to be in that world.
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shane Mental Health 4 years 9 months ago #18

shane
Possibly veering away from the original topic a bit but one of the best footy biography's I've read is Playing God: The Rise and Fall of Gary Ablett by Garry Linnell

The early stuff about how he couldn't fit in at Hawthorn under Jeans (or Joyce, I always mix them up) but Geelong created an environment for him where he could thrive is really poignant in modern footy I reckon. Hawthorn of that era in many ways is where the modern day template evolved from.
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hypen Mental Health 4 years 9 months ago #19

hypen
Whilst true Shane, the tragedy there is people will point to the fact that Hawthorn won 5 flags by not "pandering" to arguably the best footballer of all time. But the true point is they could have won say 8 premierships.

It was Jeans btw. Old school copper!
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shane Mental Health 4 years 9 months ago #20

shane
That's why they were happy to get rid of Ablett. They had enough talent. The context here being that Ablett was better looked after by being treated in a different manner (and Geelong did quite well too)
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FDB Mental Health 4 years 9 months ago #21

FDB
I’m not sure Gary Ablett Snr ought to be a poster boy for positive mental health outcomes.
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FDB Mental Health 4 years 9 months ago #22

FDB
The Moran family, for example, would probably disagree.
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shane Mental Health 4 years 9 months ago #23

shane
Clearly no one has read the book.
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Davo Mental Health 4 years 9 months ago #24

Davo
Port Adelaide:

IN: Hamish Hartlett
OUT: Matthew Broadbent (Mental Health)
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KingKepler Mental Health 4 years 9 months ago #25

KingKepler
I guess different people thrive or struggle to survive in different environments.

Some players enjoy the rigidity, discipline and structure and actually enjoy it or at least find a routine helps them in some capacity. Whether that be on the field or in their life off the field. I guess the problem as pointed out the current environment is almost a ‘one size fits all’ approach.

It takes a certain level of emotional intelligence to deal with the criticism and for a lot of young blokes that is understandably hard. Not all are equipped or have developed that understanding.

Being micromanaged and told how to do your job on the field doesn’t work too well for some and perhaps that is a part of it. If you are highly gifted coming through the juniors I guess you have a licence to play a certain way you like. Then you get drafted as a high pick and the weight of expectation and constantly being told what to do is probably very smothering.

I’m not sure lifting the draft age would necessarily help but the model in the US NBA and NFL leagues where players come through a college environment most of the time seems to have merit.
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FDB Mental Health 4 years 9 months ago #26

FDB
I’ll cop to not having read the book Shane, but please enlighten me.

What part of going on a post-retirement two day bender with a 20yo who ends up dead from an overdose of heroin he supplied sounds like good mental health?
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Raglan Matt Mental Health 4 years 9 months ago #27

Raglan Matt
I think what we are all dancing around the edge of saying, is that the world would be a lot better place for a lot of people if footy went back to being a sport.
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shane Mental Health 4 years 9 months ago #28

shane
It's the Rise and Fall. It doesn't shy away from any of that, it doesn't glorify the man but it's a complicated story and he struggled to cope before, during and after football. There are parts relevant to what I'm saying and points where Geelong went wrong, and just awful parts where he was out of control.

You could put it this way. He was a bloke with serious mental health issue and for nearly a decade at Geelong he lived a clean life, excelled at football and was by all accounts a reasonably decent person. He was not that at other times in his life.

It's genuinely a good book, it's not a sports biography, it's a biography on someone who played sport. Go and read it if you can find a copy. It's very good.
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