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Blue1red1 Walyalup Dockers 4 years 11 months ago #15

Blue1red1
Well the first thing I read Shane from here :https://www.fremantle.wa.gov.au/community/aboriginal

Aboriginal Heritage and Walyalup Statement of Significance
“Fremantle is a place that needs to speak the truth” -- Elder from the Whadjuk Advisory Group
 This made me smile
Then I read the next page just to cross reference: www.derbalnara.org.au/placenames/walyalup
Well I had a laugh.
Happy for someone to point me in the right direction if these are wrong (I know the internet is full of BS). I was just curious about the term

Must say I didn't see the reference to lungs?
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shane Walyalup Dockers 4 years 11 months ago #16

shane
I don't know where I read or heard it but I was under the impression it referred to the wind blowing up and down the river in the morning and the afternoon.
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shane Walyalup Dockers 4 years 11 months ago #17

shane
Found a reference to it. It's from Fremantle Ports.

www.fremantleports.com.au/the-port/histo...e/indigenous-history

The accepted Noongar word for Fremantle (both sides of the river) is Waylyup meaning 'lungs' (which was recorded in 1833 as told by Yagan, an Aboriginal leader).

The 'lungs' name refers to the air movement up and down the river because the easterly wind travels down from the hills and along the river to Fremantle in the morning and the 'Fremantle Doctor' travels from the sea along the river in the afternoon.

The Whadjuk people are acknowledged as the traditional owners of the Walyalup area, and their cultural and heritage beliefs are still important today.


Also (presumably who wrote the Freo Ports bit)

Just to avoid confusion. Lyon refers to R.M. Lyon who wrote letters to the paper or something. Not the current coach of the Dockers)


anthropologyfromtheshed.com/project/map-...ndigenous-fremantle/


The translated meaning of Walyalup is not provided by Lyon (1833). However we would suggest and this idea was supported by several senior Noongar Elders participating in the consultations with Fremantle Ports that the name Walyalup may derive its meaning from walyal (lungs) and up (place of) literally signifying ‘place of the lungs.’ Body part metaphors were often used when naming parts of rivers, headlands, hills and other prominent features of the landscape.

Walyalup is probably an indigenous body part metaphor describing the simulated lung-like action of the alternating land and sea breezes which blew daily up and down the river with seasonal regularity, especially during summer and early autumn when Noongar people were camped in the riverine-estuarine coastal belt.

The effects of these winds would have been most pronounced at the mouth of the Swan estuary close to where Fremantle is located. The rotating winds, alluded to in early historical accounts by Stirling (1827) and Von Huegel (1833) are described as follows:

Stirling (1827 in Shoobert 2005: 32) refers to ‘the alternate action of these two winds which seldom leave an intervening calm.’ He notes:
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dddocker Walyalup Dockers 4 years 11 months ago #18

dddocker
I think 'Dockers' doesn't fit. The Walyalup Warriors is far more appropriate. Of course the colours and logo would have to change.
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Raglan Matt Walyalup Dockers 4 years 11 months ago #19

Raglan Matt
The hot blowing easterly wind is a pretty apt simile.
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The_Yeti Walyalup Dockers 4 years 11 months ago #20

The_Yeti
We should find out the Noongar word for @#&^%#$.

Then the weasels can change their name as well
Egurls Suck!
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shane Walyalup Dockers 4 years 11 months ago #21

shane
Walyalup Dwerdas.

Maybe all the AFL teams could play under their traditional region names for next year's Indigenous Round.
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shane Walyalup Dockers 4 years 11 months ago #22

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freoboy49 Walyalup Dockers 4 years 11 months ago #23

freoboy49
Such a pity this has come up as we get ready for the Doug Nicholls Round — being a lifelong 'Freoboy' who remembers Saturday morning flicks at the Hoyts/Oriana I'm not excited about the Freo City Tree Huggers' proposal, but I'm still keen to celebrate our sustained and outstanding indigenous contribution to the AFL.

By the Way, how tall is Brad Hill? If you look at the great pic on Wednesday's fish and chip wrapper back page, the cheeky bugger is up on his toes to look taller than Nathan Wilson! The grin gives it away
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shane Walyalup Dockers 4 years 11 months ago #24

shane
They are two unrelated things but it's pretty crap to call people working to find ways to try and heal the damage caused by 190 years of white settlement and theft of land, Freo City Tree Huggers.
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Morgan Walyalup Dockers 4 years 11 months ago #25

Morgan
It’s a good idea Shane.

A hashtag is real toe-in-the-water stuff, but I reckon we’ll start to see more things like this in the coming years.

Like I said, it seems a no-brainer to use the Noongar name on the scoreboard at the game for this round.

www.fremantlefc.com.au/news/2019-05-20/2...holls-round-launched
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shane Walyalup Dockers 4 years 11 months ago #26

shane
The problem there is it's already a lame hashtag in English. At least in Noongar we will get less people using #WalyalupKalyakoorl by mistake.
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moodindigo Walyalup Dockers 4 years 11 months ago #27

moodindigo
Do we all have to chant "Wal-y" now?
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Dockermus Walyalup Dockers 4 years 11 months ago #28

Dockermus
FB49, you're a genius. Freo City Tree Huggers is a much better, and inclusive 21st century name than the Fremantle Dockers. I can hear the chant now: "hug--gers... hug--gers...hug--gers..."
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