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CaptSnooze Neale’s return 4 years 10 months ago #43

CaptSnooze
Tagging job Hypen?
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Raglan Matt Neale’s return 4 years 10 months ago #44

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OK, Shane, I will tap on the windowsill, who is going to knock on the door?
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The_Yeti Neale’s return 4 years 10 months ago #45

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Shane,

if you really want to put him off his game, make sure you have a large black leather bound book in your arms and a decent size candle burning while you're ringing the bell.

If he's a mick, that'll creep him right out.
Egurls Suck!
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teasea Neale’s return 4 years 10 months ago #46

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Definately not booing now - Lyon wants Neale to get a 'rough' reception from community and players. Why, cos it made him look bad losing a player perhaps?
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Raglan Matt Neale’s return 4 years 10 months ago #47

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Yes, Teasea, a pretty good indication that the 2 did not part on amicable terms.

Look, A Bear!!!

But also, I think, a deflection from the sad events of the last 2 or 3 weeks, and the ongoing injury crisis brought on by his game and training strategies.
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Derby12 Neale’s return 4 years 10 months ago #48

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Do you think if we cheer Lachie when he gets a touch and boo Roly when he heads down at the breaks, someone at Freo might get a message?
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shane Neale’s return 4 years 10 months ago #49

shane
Didn't Ross ask everyone not to boo Gaff for punching one of out blokes in the head? He was all very "won't somebody please think of the children". And people say he refuses to change.

Are there many examples around of an AFL coach encouraging the public to be hostile to an opposition player?'
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Morgan Neale’s return 4 years 10 months ago #50

Morgan
Not everything is about Lyon.

Freo took Neale at pick 58, and Freo gave him the opportunity to grow into an excellent AFL player. He played finals in his first four years, including a Grand Final in his second year. We made him a vice captain. He won the Doig. He then saw out a few years of his contract while we were rebuilding, and decided either that he wanted to cash in, or he didn’t have the ticker or loyalty to Freo or his teammates to stick around for the hard graft of rebuild.

On the one hand football is a job for Neale, so I understand in that it’s his prerogative to sign where he likes. But footy is a weird parochial thing where you cheer the goodies and boo the badies and the umpires. It’s wresting but with actual competition, and by treating football as a series of pragmatic financial transactions Neale has broken kayfabe. He’s now a heel in my eyes.

I get that people don’t want to be like West Coast fans, but the issue isn’t that they boo, it’s that they relentlessly boo anything and everything. There is no light and shade. Not booing a turncoat like Neale because of West Coast fans is like not drinking a good Cab Sav because your idiot West Coast co-workers get sloppy drunk hammering chardonnay.

But it also seems most people on Dockerland are so full of loathing for the club that they would back a mercenary like Neale if in their view it provides evidence for their worst assumptions about Lyon. I guess if you think players play for the coach that makes sense.

But the way players talk, it’s the comradery of playing for each other that binds a team. Where blokes like Pav, Mundy and Fyfe bought into that and Freo, Neale instead packed his bags for a city he’d only visited a few times and a bunch of guys he had never met. I can get behind moving for family reasons or even to get a game if you’re at the margins at your own club, but moving for more coin or to join a better team goes against the narrative of footy I pretend is true.

Most on here have stuck by Fremantle even though they don’t like Lyon or parts of the admin. Is it unfair to expect the same for players? If it’s completely fine for Neale to leave – admirable even as some on here might suggest – is it ok for fans to change clubs where they don’t like the temporary projection of their team?
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Corporal Agarn Neale’s return 4 years 10 months ago #51

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So let's get this straight. Roly says it's okay to boo or give Neale as hard a time as possible, but not Gaff?

Is he for real?
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shane Neale’s return 4 years 10 months ago #52

shane
That's all good and well, Morgan, but there are no established facts other than Lachie Neale moved from one team to another team when his contract was up. You're choosing a narrative that Lachie Neale is a mercenary who went for the big dollars and you will boo him because of that, as is standard practice in football.

Some people think it played out differently and chose the narrative that he had a falling out with Ross Lyon and as a result looked at other options and feel the need for booing. Which makes it about Ross Lyon.

I hope that explains the disconnect.
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Morgan Neale’s return 4 years 10 months ago #53

Morgan
I completely understand that Shane, but the way it’s presented on here is that it is a fact Neale left because of Lyon, despite both parties knocking that on the head (of course the truth could always be different to their public omments).

The default position, generally, is that where there is doubt fans tend to side with the club against a player who leaves. It’s interesting that most people on here, where there is doubt, will side against the club.

We are a game out of the eight and I think a number of people on here will be hoping we suffer an embarrassing loss on Sunday, and be welcoming a player who left in the prime of his career for unclear reasons as a hero. It’s strange days.

And CA, don’t you think context is important? Lyon didn’t say ‘you shouldn’t boo Gaff but you should boo Neale’.

In Gaff’s case, Brayshaw wanted to get past it, and Lyon urged people to move on because the players were exhausted by it. Also, there was a real potential for things to get nasty.

Neale is coming back and Lyon hopes the club and fans can dish out a ‘rough’ return. I don’t really think there’s any risk of things escalating, or any downside to Freo in there being a combative atmosphere.
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CaptSnooze Neale’s return 4 years 10 months ago #54

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We're going to have to spell this out.
www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/life-as-a-li...20181127-p50io7.html
Neale saw through the rebuild, and became the latest quality individual to choose elsewhere. He straight away saw quality:
“for the newly married couple, it was the people at Brisbane who drew them across from the west. Neale personally references Fagan, head of football David Noble and CEO Greg Swann, and comes back to the initial walk with the coach..."

"I did feel that I owed Freo a lot, probably in my early years for taking a chance on me..But I feel like I’ve given seven years of my absolute best and that probably cleared my conscience in a way.... It just felt like the right thing to do, to be honest.
“In the end we thought a fresh start would be good.... I think Fages’ philosophy and the way he brings people together is really impressive and the whole club has sort of adopted that."

Now tell me this is not about Lyon.
Ross is certainly getting desperate if he wants fans to boo a multiple club champion with many years consistent service. The commentators will be on the lookout for a headline: to quote Abc's Whealdon question during the Bulldogs call: "did I almost hear a boo for Crozier?" Answer; no he didnt, and we should continue to show the quality that evades the top heirarchy at the club.
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shane Neale’s return 4 years 10 months ago #55

shane
If only he had spent more time working on his football coaching that week, instead of moonlighting in crowd management.

I think the comments about making it hostile for Lachie Neale were out of character for him, highlighted by how it contrasts with his opposite comments the week before. Which makes me think there's a bit more there. Even if it's just because Brisbane don't normally draw a crowd and the club is worried about the crowd size on Sunday and trying to drum up interest.
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Davo Neale’s return 4 years 10 months ago #56

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I think it is like any job, not just AFL. If you like where you work, you will eschew other offers. I think you have to be mentally ready to leave any job, even before you receive an offer.

I've had offers to leave my job for another but usually say no as neither the offer nor the company are generally enough to sway me.

He got a better offer dollarwise from a team that was on the rise, was it enough to make him want to leave, yes.

Pavlich and others stuck fast and we all admire their loyalty. He was probably the highest paid player too, which helped. Sandilands the same.

Freo couldn't match $950k or whatever it was for Lachie which is a high price but he is a two time Doig Medallist too.

Anyway, someone had to be traded to get Hogan so it turned out to be him. No hard feelings from me.
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