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TOPIC: Duman

hypen Duman 5 years 1 week ago #43

hypen
Yeah I agree, you don't get to call Gaff out as a disgrace and then talk the whole Duman thing down.

Throwing a punch is a bit like hitting a cricket ball in the sense some come off the bat better than others. The well timed ones knock people out and break jaws. When you throw a punch you don't really know the damage it's going to cause.

I keep hearing the punch throwers say they didn't mean to cause the damage they did. And I truly believe them. Just don't do it. It's an awfully dangerous act. Forget bloody Cunnington winding someone.
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macdaddy Duman 5 years 1 week ago #44

macdaddy
I really like how you put this Hypen
Bravo
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Jooter Duman 5 years 1 week ago #45

Jooter
I wonder if Freo will argue that it was an open palm slap.
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Gumnut Duman 5 years 1 week ago #46

Gumnut
I think we will definitely argue an open palm strike/slap and the level of contact. A win on either of these could get 2 down to one. I am not in favour of players punching off the ball or anywhere on the field of play however I am in favour of fair play and Duman has definitely been treated differently to other more high profile players. I am therefore very happy that we are contesting this finding especially bearing in mind Christian's declarations in recent weeks in relation to force of contact.
And for the benefit of the backslappers on this site an open hand does not constitute a punch.
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rogerrocks Duman 5 years 1 week ago #47

rogerrocks
Yeti is absolutely right. In assessing the level of impact they should stick to their own rules. If "medium" means you spent some time off the ground, then Duman's was not "medium". The club challenge will hopefully be based on this, and I would love to see the GWS medical report.
When it happened, I thought a week was about right. I'm sticking with that.
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Morgan Duman 5 years 1 week ago #48

Morgan
It’s always worth reflecting on how arbitrary the AFL’s rules and norms are around player contact off the ball. Take for example where a player is outpointed in a marking contest or misses a set shot at goal. Opposition players, almost every time, run over and shoulder charge that player in what is effectively a dead-ball situation. It’s just weird that is allowed to happen (I can’t think of another sport where that sort of thing is condoned).

And yet in a put of push and shove off the ball, a quick tummy tap can be a suspension (or not), and after some off-ball push and shove a bloke lashes out and catches the bloke lightly in the chin – instead of the upper shoulder – and gets two weeks.

If the AFL really wants to get rid of the off the ball stuff, they should think about getting rid of all the off the ball stuff, not just the very narrowly-defined set of acts they have arbitrarily decided are outside the rules.

Personally though, I might be inclined to go the other way, starting with a rule that if someone rubs you on the head for making a mistake, you are allowed to punch them in the head with no consequence. That rubbing on the head thing is such a jerk move.
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shane Duman 5 years 1 week ago #49

shane
But I'm sure we can all agree that the easiest thing to do is to not punch people in the head.
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teasea Duman 5 years 1 week ago #50

teasea
I agree Gumnut and RR, much as I don't like any of the punches am just tired of Freo being the 'escaped goat' of the AFL. They had originally said any jumper punches would be penalised then suddenly it was just fines til we did one, not condoning it but want to be treated equally so 1 week seems fair - don't recall player going off. they need to come out publically saying 'enough is enough, from now on its 'whatever' and stick to it regardless of name/club. Just a bit of consistency for once.

However my main point earlier in this thread was that I am just pleased for once we are doing something and not just bending over backwards to the AFL
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hypen Duman 5 years 1 week ago #51

hypen
Christian is doing a rubbish job but that doesn't mean Freo is a scape goat. That was a decent old shot Duman took, I'm surprised they're challenging it.
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Gumnut Duman 5 years 1 week ago #52

Gumnut
That's true Shane and I agree but this was not a punch and was delivered with an open hand. I watched the guys coming off and Duman seemed to be demonstrating to a teammate his actions. If you wave your hands in the region of an opponent's face you are leaving yourself open to these charges however we must, in the interests of fairness, appeal this case to see it treated similarly to others previously assessed this season.
And whilst on the head punch topic I'm wondering if there may be more focus on those committed during dodgy "spoiling" attempts as the worst intentional head high contact I have seen this year was Robbie Tarrant's punching Nat Fyfe in the head in a marking contest which didn't even get a 50 metre penalty and left Nat shaking his head for some time following the strike.
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Morgan Duman 5 years 1 week ago #53

Morgan
You'd think Shane, and yet players can't seem to help themselves. Whenever there is an escalating series of chesty-bumps and pushy-whacks someone always seems to be hit a bit high or a bit low, and someone gets suspended. It’s just strange.

But yes, agreed, don’t hit people in the head.

Do you reckon the betting agencies suspended betting when they heard Duman might end up being available on Saturday?
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Gumnut Duman 5 years 1 week ago #54

Gumnut
Hypen, I detect your rage but firstly it was delivered with an open hand and secondly, by the MRO's own definition it was less than medium impact as he didn't leave the field. Yes it was wrong and probably deserves a week but it must be assessed similarly to Browlow medallists such as Dusty and Danger. All players must be treated equally and a young guy in his 13th game was seen as an easy mark for Christian.
He was wrong but under the rules as administered this season only due a week.
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shane Duman 5 years 1 week ago #55

shane
From the outside it's very difficult to see the difference between championing the cause of fairness throughout the league and trying to get our player off because we reckon there is a weakness in the way the law is written.

In the interests of fairness, set the standard and say that as a club we won't be hitting people in the head. Even lightly with an open palm. Even when we're a little bit angry at the other person.
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The_Yeti Duman 5 years 1 week ago #56

The_Yeti
I have no problem with Duman copping a suspension for what he did.

Like the Gaff incident, it is not something that should be happening on or off the field but I hope that Freo is contesting the grading and not trying to get Duman off completely. He doesn't deserve to get off completely because he did take a shot, open handed or otherwise.

If nothing else, I want to see Christian explain the completely different interpretations he applies week in and week out.

I do not think there is any harm in trying to get just a bit of consistency in rulings.

Christian's explanation of intensity grading that applied a few weeks ago simply does not fit with the intensity grading he applied a day ago and he should be held to account.

If Duman gets downgraded to low impact and the tribunal still gives him two weeks (which they have the discretion to do) then fair enough but at least the grading will have been made consistent with earlier directions.

Also, yes, Shane, we should promise not to punch people in the head.
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