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TOPIC: Skills v Effort

jockstrap Skills v Effort 5 years 3 weeks ago #57

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Haven't read all the comments here but has anyone commented on how slippery the ground was in some spots. Players from both sides were slipping over particularly in the first half. Why would one section of the ground be so slippery when we have had no rain to speak of.
The other thing I noticed this game that was not happening in the first game is that we were mostly handballing to the receivers feet making them slow down and lose balance. We also have a lot of players who cannot pick up a rolling ball on the run. Do they not practice this skill any more? Mind you I noticed that Pav in his later years was not good at picking up the ball from the ground.
We certainly have a lot of work to go with our skills when you compare the foot and hand skills compared to our mortal enemy who are excellent and so are their decisions. Sonny has no such problems bur for most fumbling is an epidemic. Finally Ross still has not worked out a working system in the forward line and we constantly see our players trying to beat their team mates so everyone flies for the ball.
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The_Yeti Skills v Effort 5 years 3 weeks ago #58

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Well rr, just go to any WASA swimming event.

Swimmers are selected for events based on the team requirements. They each have a role to fulfill that provides the best contribution to the overall team performance.

Then you have the obvious stuff like relays, which are a feature of every WASA event.

Yes indeed, swimming is a team sport.
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Corporal Agarn Skills v Effort 5 years 3 weeks ago #59

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I'd count the Lee Spurr comments and Mark Duffield article as being done by knowledgeable people.
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The_Yeti Skills v Effort 5 years 3 weeks ago #60

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DBTS,

so you don't count things like batting partnerships where the batsmen (or women) support each other, organise themselves so that one is taking up the attack on the bowlers while the other is providing support or batsmen organising who will face what particular bowlers or indeed even a senior batsman covering for a lower order player?

Batting might be an individual sport when playing beach cricket but not when you play the real game.

Now, bowlers... They bowl to team plans, they bowl to get a desired result and use the fielders to help execute those plans. You know, teamy things like bowling short to get a leg side catch or bowling just outside off to try and get an edge to slips or the keeper.

Yeah, you know....teamy things...like in a real team.
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The_Yeti Skills v Effort 5 years 3 weeks ago #61

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Yeah, Morgan, it is old ground and rehashing tired arguments that have been wrong in the past, won't suddenly make them right.

As for swimming not being a team sport and me being 67% wrong, how much involvement have you had in any WASA team? I'm going out on a limb here and saying 0% because that was one of the silliest statements you've made on here from a base of absolutely no knowledge or experience. It takes a big effort to exceed some of your other statements on the silly scale, so I guess well done to you.
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The_Yeti Skills v Effort 5 years 3 weeks ago #62

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Yes noddy, its very simple.

You can just look up all the times Morgan and others have asked the same question on here and been answered or you can just listen to the ramblings of your favourite coach.

I understand the difficulties as most people find him hard to listen to but he has repeatedly stated he 'doesn't train skills'.

The exception to that was a Ballas interview last year where he stated that the team had started doing 10 minute skills sessions at the end of every training session.

There might be a few hints there to help you out.
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Noddy Skills v Effort 5 years 3 weeks ago #63

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With the greatest respect...
‘We also have a lot of players who cannot pick up a rolling ball on the run. Do they not practice this skill any more? ‘
If the ball never touches the ground at training we must be the most skilful side in the AFL
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Raglan Matt Skills v Effort 5 years 3 weeks ago #64

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Instead of using game simulations and "effort " running to practise skills, we should be using skills training to get fit and work game patterns. These game plans/patterns go out the window as soon as pressure is applied anyway, and the good sides have players who have trained hard at passing the footy to a teammate, handballing in front of a running player, reacting instinctively to a change in what is happening instead of trying to work out what the game plan is when some interfering opponent spoils, tackles, bumps our player.

There are plenty of video clips and stories of Lyon halting training/practise matches to lambast a player who, when things are not going according to the training plan, has done something instinctive. And that is what our team looks like. A group of players who have had every footy instinct trained out of them. Thank god for Walters & Hill.
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Noddy Skills v Effort 5 years 3 weeks ago #65

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Yes, help me out. Where are the examples and evidence that Freo doesn’t do skills training?
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larkin Skills v Effort 5 years 3 weeks ago #66

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Don't both Noddy - all they want is Confirmation bias. You gotta wonder if they ever actually watch a game and see how they get it right most of the time - like most teams.
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Corporal Agarn Skills v Effort 5 years 3 weeks ago #67

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Au contraire larkin. I understand Noddy is more than entitled to ask and have an opinion but here's the two i mentioned earlier.

Lee Spurr was asked on 6PR today to explain effort v skill under Lyon. He said in his time effort was the focus but there was now a realisation at Freo by the coaches that today skill was just as important as effort.

www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&...YDPIJ1M89DayMg-e1gPq
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larkin Skills v Effort 5 years 3 weeks ago #68

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I'll add a third which is just as important Skill Effort & Structure (or process) You need the knowledge of how to structure up ie be in the right place at the right time, the effort to carry it off and the skills to make it work. You do all this in match sim - though the pressure is never quite there. Its not like swimming in a pool unless maybe you are playing water polo.
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larkin Skills v Effort 5 years 3 weeks ago #69

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CA why are you quoting me exceed from yesterday and backing it up with an interview from a year ago with some one else? I'll say again 'Exceed that wasn't quite what he said.' Prove me wrong.
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Corporal Agarn Skills v Effort 5 years 3 weeks ago #70

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Well larkin I really don't think March 12th 2019 is a year ago is it? Plus it wasn't even an interview, so I'm assuming you didn't even listen to it anyway.

And maybe you would like to tell the "not quite" difference to what Lee Spurr said, as obviously exceed was just bullshitting and you are in the know to what he really said.
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