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Morgan Skills v Effort 5 years 3 weeks ago #43

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But that’s the thing Shane, I actually think our skills have improved. On balance, our backline is much more skilled than it was 4 years ago. I think our midfield is pretty up-and-down depending on the style of that particular game, and I think our forward line is a little more skilled than it was a few years ago.

I thought our field kicking was actually pretty good for the most part, but that our clangers were incredibly bad. I’m not sure if that is a skill issue or a composure issue. Both St Kilda and GC17 attempt to make up for their lack of star-power with lots of numbers at the ball and intense ball pressure. It's the thing you do when you can't rely on talent to win the day. Both teams have shown themselves to be pretty good at it. Judging Freo on those two games - while ignoring the first game - makes no sense to me.

I honestly think that if CamMac and Langdon didn't crab it on the wing when we were 6 goals to 1 up in the second, we would have romped home. I guess you could train CamMan in the crucial skill of not falling on his arse for no reason, but he strikes me as a player who is just going to do weird things from time-to-time. But reverse that moment, and if we had kicked that goal instead, St Kilda's pressure would have dropped, and everything would have looked a whole lot better, including the skills. Instead, St Kilda got a sniff, came at Freo hard, and Freo gut-checked a win despite losing their most important player (by some distance) in a part of the team where we are already too thin.

If people weren't so keen to write this season off - starting at JLT1 - then they might be able to see some upside in us being 2-1.

If Fyfe is miraculously fit next week I reckon we'll give West Coast a real shake.
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Drubbing Skills v Effort 5 years 3 weeks ago #44

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Exciting? Freo are bereft of skills and organisation and it's been a feature for 5 years. Effort may have won this time, but that's not going to make you a successful team without skill and good structure

Many times the mids and HF line kicked to the 50 without even looking. Just get rid of it bomb it in and hope something good happens.

Put them up against any of this years eventual top 8 and they'll fold quicker than an Origami masterclass.
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hypen Skills v Effort 5 years 3 weeks ago #45

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Fyfe won't be fit and we are going to get thumped Morgan. And this will be our ninth straight loss I reckon.
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The_Yeti Skills v Effort 5 years 3 weeks ago #46

The_Yeti
Hahahaha, Morgan, you've posted this before and it was wrong then and it is still completely wrong.

Team sports are no different to individual sports and just so that you know, swimming is definitely 100% a team sport.

International Rugby is a team sport and the best team in the world, concentrate on their skills as well as field patterns. Cricket is a team sport and coaches concentrate on getting their skills to as high a level as they can achieve.

Pretending that skills only count in individual sports is utter nonsense. If you can't hit a team mate every time under all conditions, your skills are not good enough.
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rogerrocks Skills v Effort 5 years 3 weeks ago #47

rogerrocks
"Swimming is definitely 100% a team sport." I'll have to take your word for it.
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Suker Skills v Effort 5 years 3 weeks ago #48

Suker
Swimming team...relays, coaches yelling from out of pool. Like all team sports you are on your own when it comes to actual execution of skill or desire to achieve.
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Docker by the Sea Skills v Effort 5 years 3 weeks ago #49

Docker by the Sea
As a team sport cricket would have to be one of the most individual based of them. A batsman faces one ball at a time can only really be influenced by another in his running between wickets or poor advice on a referral. A bowler delivers his delivery without any involvement of another.
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Blue1red1 Skills v Effort 5 years 3 weeks ago #50

Blue1red1
Seriously folks, skills can get better with practise. Can't believe people don't think practising skills properly so they become reflex like under pressure is not going to have an impact on performance? It's a no brainer.

For instance, I have been practising my yelling abuse at the TV for a few weeks now and the abuse performance has improved out of sight.
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clinical Skills v Effort 5 years 3 weeks ago #51

clinical
Turn it up Morgan. Some people really wear the rose coloured glasses. If Freo get within 7 goals of west coast I will be the first to admit I was wrong but I watch a lot of footy and although 2-1 we are playing terrible footy. Best to accept the inevitable than to try and play make believe that freo are a chance in the derby.
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cletus Skills v Effort 5 years 3 weeks ago #52

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I am amazed that there are people out there wanting to justify yesterday's (and the previous weeks) poor skills on the pressure applied by St Kilda - and that from Gold Coast the previous week..!

Seriously!!???

Well sit back and watch how good things are after we get 'pressured' by a couple of decent teams. This week might be one of them.

And isnt it extremely worrying that every opposition team can see how easily we fall apart just by having a bit of pressure applied???

The whole point of 'good skills' is the ability to withstand pressure, and still perform at optimum.

If this is a measure or yardstick of the current coaching group, then they get an minus F !

And if I am wrong...and everything is fine & dandy & we make a GF, well...wont that be a sight to behold! It will be a great exhibition of our great game...
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goodie Skills v Effort 5 years 3 weeks ago #53

goodie
Most of the fumbling and kicks out of bounds yesterday were done under no pressure at all.
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number 2 Skills v Effort 5 years 3 weeks ago #54

number 2
DBTS - have you heard of nets practice? That's where cricketers work on technique and refine their craft, ball after ball, hour after hour, day after day. It's how Stephen Smith went from a marginal player to one of the best batsmen in the world.

It's practicing skills.
It's also great effort.

And Ross, they aren't mutually exclusive concepts.
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Morgan Skills v Effort 5 years 3 weeks ago #55

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Yeti, I agree this old ground, and I’m probably not making any new points so I'll let it go. I don’t go to training, but whenever a photo from training pops up the players normally have a football in their hands, so I guess they do work on their skills a bit. I also don’t know how our training and drill schedule compares to other teams. The answer to skills development lies in relative effort across the different dimensions of training (fitness, skills, strategy). Maybe you're right that the balance isn't quite right - but the way people go on you'd assume the coaches had never run a drill at training in their lives.

But saying that swimming is 100% a team sport is something that’s a bit new to me, and I’d suggest it is at least 67% wrong.

As to the pressure point (with apologies to Judd) every team is capable of falling apart when pressure is applied, that's the thing. The Bulldogs applied pressure to Hawthorn and they completely fell apart. GC17 applied the pressure to the Bulldogs and they couldn't withstand it. Brisbane applied pressure to West Coast and they kicked 2 goals in three quarters of footy. Eventually another team will make West Coast look like chumps for a while, because the gap between the best teams and the worst teams seems pretty narrow at the moment. I don’t see why that can’t be us.

Even with Fyfe in the team I don't know if we have the midfield resources to exert that pressure for a whole game, and without him it’s a big ask; but I think our defence matches up reasonably well, and we’ve actually got the forwards to distract West Coast’s marking defenders for the first time in forever. I reckon Jesse realises he owes us a few and could be a dark horse (Barrass or McGovern won’t be able to go with him, so who is his match-up?). We’ve definitely got some improvement left in some of our key transition players (Wilson has been pretty ineffective and Langdon is due a big game).

I can’t believe how defeated you lot are. You’d think we were holding up the ladder.
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Noddy Skills v Effort 5 years 3 weeks ago #56

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Can we have some indication of anyone who actually knows that Freo doesn’t have skills training as part of training? Apart from the observation that for some games our skills could be better?
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