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freo00 Once again... 5 years 1 month ago #15

freo00
We make TANKS ?

Have been for the last 4 years !
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shane Once again... 5 years 1 month ago #16

shane
I suppose that's inevitable when so many clubs send the coaches off to train at American business schools.

If you have a read of Mick Malthouse's column this weekend (I like to read it so I know what to bet on) you get an idea of the mindset of some coaches.

Ignoring that he thinks coaches have sat in the stands directing players for 100 years, he talks about being able to move his wingman. His players. As if he's playing the game against the other coach and they are his pieces.

In my mind, the footballers should be playing the game against the other footballers. The coach should really just be there to train the team, not control the game.

If someone needs manning up on, the players should be able to arrange that themselves. The captain should be making those sort of calls, with guidance from the coach.

But the current way for many clubs is Olde time warfare. We line up our troops, you line up your troops. They shoot at each other and whoever has the most left standing at the end is the winning coach. The contest is in keeping everyone in formation.
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Drubbing Once again... 5 years 1 month ago #17

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shane, that seems like a precis of Lyon's approach, minus the media BS.

He seem to care far less whether he wins or loses, just how well the team stuck to doing what he told them. Trouble is, they're following instruction far too well.
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larkin Once again... 5 years 1 month ago #18

larkin
you can't be serious Shane.
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wingman Once again... 5 years 1 month ago #19

wingman
Regardless of what we say on here from the arm chair let's face it their game plan it's outstanding. Won them the trophy last year, high chance they will win again this year. Their previous game plan in 2014 (web) nearly won that one as well. They then selected players and ass coaches that compliment the way they play (many under our noses for years) and improved their skills to the point where I shake my head wondering how they did it.
So you can say what you like on how to beat them but they will win most games with what looks like very little effort. I hate them for it, because I am so bloody jealous but unfortunately I have to tip my hat. I would luv to see whoever got their skills up to their current standard to work with our young guys for 12 months.
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Quasimodo Once again... 5 years 1 month ago #20

Quasimodo
Getting back to Brisbane. Lachie is playing well but tge real reason for their rise is Luke Hodge. Watch the way he directs traffic and doesn't the manic intensity of tge young blokes tackling and one percent inflation remind you of 2008 Hawthorn.

The bloke is a born leader and will be an outstanding head coach once he retires.
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Quasimodo Once again... 5 years 1 month ago #21

Quasimodo
Bloody auto correct
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Noddy Once again... 5 years 1 month ago #22

Noddy
I’ll second that Larkin. Can we put it to a vote?
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shane Once again... 5 years 1 month ago #23

shane
The thing is, Simpson doesn't coach like the way I described. He seems to make adjustments to the set up for different teams and different conditions and, from what he's said, gives the players a lot of autonomy around how they play.

There's definitely two camps of coaching styles. The fixed game plan based coaching and the more flexible player driven coaches. I'm sure there is merit in both ways of thinking but the player driven coaches are winning more flags.
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pollyanna Once again... 5 years 1 month ago #24

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A clue would be watching a very talented footballer made to look very ordinary, if not downright stupid, on the field in a game. Sure, perhaps at various moments, at times over this game or that during a season, but not year in year out. You kind of wonder what the heck is going on when that talent is wasted and the very talented footballer becomes just another ordinary worker doing the job. That points directly at one source, usually sitting between two Gatorade bottles mouthing lines written at head office into a gaggle of microphones. There's your problem.

In our team we've got more than a handful of these players - Stephen Hill is just one of them. There's no one in that cross-town pack of w**nkers that I would rate even close to Stephen, but watching Liam Ryan's fourth quarter last night was soul destroying. If you think Ryan was executing a plan or filling a role you're nuts - he's flying high and Stephen is running laps near a concrete factory somewhere.
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wingman Once again... 5 years 1 month ago #25

wingman
Spot on Polly. Thought the same thing watching Ryan. I posted a few weeks ago that I would luv to watch Stephen off the bit.
My biggest fear is that Cerra and Brayshaw will end up wasted picks and just like one of those guys you highlight instead of letting them use their natural football ability.
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Blue1red1 Once again... 5 years 1 month ago #26

Blue1red1
It helps to have someone on the sidelines picking up some of the big picture stuff. Depending where you are playing and with the adrenaline is going, sometimes you can be missing some of the basics. The Coach is supposed to be there feeding this info back on game day reminding the players and picking up on where to make playes to open them up, ideas and things to focus on in the qtr.,
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Corporal Agarn Once again... 5 years 1 month ago #27

Corporal Agarn
I guess it's easier coming into a winning culture but you only have to look at the impact their new players have compared to ours. Allen, Ryan, Rioli, Petrucelle have slotted in perfectly and are exciting to watch.
For a start i don't think we recruit those exciting type players. We're more likely to choose solid, effort based players, which probably says a lot about the two coaches also.
The exceptions to this would be Sturt who is a project player and Cerra who plays his role but certainly isn't showing the flair he did in those highlight reels before he was drafted.
We have two great running half backs in Ryan and Wilson but we rarely see them breaking lines and dashing through the centre as Wilson did with GWS.
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freo00 Once again... 5 years 1 month ago #28

freo00
I wonder why it is like this ?
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