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TOPIC: Poor Umpiring

shane Poor Umpiring 5 years 3 weeks ago #43

shane
That's what I'm saying, hypen.

The cry for consistency, which is always the sort of thing pushed by your Malthouse's and Roos' because they want to appear more intelligent than just whinging about the umpires, means the rules have to be followed to the letter.

If a bloke is tying his shoelace up near the player taking his kick and he's too close, technically it's a free kick and an umpire has to pay that because he will be in trouble if he doesn't apply the law.

But realistically, he's doing no harm and the game would be better served by the umpire using his own subjective judgement on whether the player is trying it on or if he's just tying his shoe.

They're not allowed to do that though because Roos will bleat on about it all week long and for some reason, people like him are taken more seriously when they whinge about umpires than the rest of us in the stands yelling out in frustration that East Fremantle are 27 goals behind.
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rogerrocks Poor Umpiring 5 years 3 weeks ago #44

rogerrocks
With htb/incorrect disposal the umps use two steps as their guidance for prior opportunity. But I'm buggered if I can tell when its "jarred loose in the tackle" and "incorrect disposal.
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Raglan Matt Poor Umpiring 5 years 3 weeks ago #45

Raglan Matt
Hypen, why does every thread on Dockerland have to eventually end up in a go at poor Shane and his Sharks?
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Dockermus Poor Umpiring 5 years 3 weeks ago #46

Dockermus
I think the point Roos was hoping to make, in his call for professional umpires, was that their part time, semi-professional status serves only to hold back their development. I’m enlarging a bit on what he actually said, but he used the example of North Melbourne. He said they’d had another bad weekend, with another disappointing loss, but suggested that, come Monday morning, the players could return to their workplace, the training field, analyse the game, uncover whatever failings and deficiencies may have contributed to the poor result, than go out and spend time practicing the skills and tactics that had been shown to be wanting.
(Maybe using Norf as an an example of improvement through feedback was a poor choice.)
The umpires, on the their hand, who could also have made many, many mistakes in the same game, would be returning to their place of work - most likely an office - on Monday morning, and concentrating on their proper jobs, with no opportunity to analyse or consider their own failings or poor performance before the next weekend game, so they’re not going to be able to improve.
Having professional umpires may not be the complete answer, but it would help to improve, or at least arrest, a declining situation.
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* I do realise that everyone reading this posting already understands the argument in favour of full time umpires, but I had some spare time this morning and thought it could best be used by stating the bleedin’ obvious on DL. Apologies, one and all.
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Freo66 Poor Umpiring 5 years 3 weeks ago #47

Freo66
Jesus Hyphen, you are prone to exaggeration and no wonder Shane deletes your posts and gets angry.

You need to be held accountable for inaccurate statistics.

It was 19 goals and 24 goals.
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shane Poor Umpiring 5 years 3 weeks ago #48

shane
So you spend an hour reviewing your game on the weekend. What do you do for the rest of the week?

They still get reviews of their performance, they still train. It's just not done during time they could quite easily be doing other work.
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Dockermus Poor Umpiring 5 years 3 weeks ago #49

Dockermus
Who? North players or the umpires?
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Morgan Poor Umpiring 5 years 3 weeks ago #50

Morgan
Last night I was listening to the first episode of a new podcast by Michael Lewis, the author of Moneyball, called Against the Rules. The first episode focused on the extraordinary lengths the NBA peruses to ensure its refs call the game fairly. It’s worth a listen (and I expect the rest of the podcast series will be very interesting too).

You can draw your own conclusions from the podcast, but my takeaway is that despite the NBA refs being arguably the most scrutinised officials in the world, the vitriol pointed in their direction has increased on account of the increased exposure of their mistakes to fans, and the increased entitlement of the players and coaches. It could lead you to put up your hands and say ‘well, there’s no point even trying’, but the NBA’s position seems to be that it has to do everything in can to ensure fans don’t consider the refs are rigged against them. This is especially the case with the NBA because one of its refs was implicated in match fixing a while back.

I don’t think you will persuade most fans that AFL umpires aren’t terrible or even biased, but the AFL needs to do everything it can to say that it is monitoring AFL umpires sufficiently. I’m not sure if that’s the case at the moment. Perhaps the umpires don’t need to be full time, and perhaps you won’t get rid of bad or subjective calls, but I do think the AFL needs to manage the process better, because outside of a few umpires (and each club’s fans has a few they dislike), most fans tend to feel for the umpires and place the blame on head office for buggering around with the rules.
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rogerrocks Poor Umpiring 5 years 3 weeks ago #51

rogerrocks
Maybe umpire selection can work like jury selection. Each team is entitled to reject a certain number of umpires each week.
Or we could go down the Premier League model where any sort of allegiance (e.g. played for them as a kid, got invited to a players wedding etc) rules you out of refereeing a side.
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mac Poor Umpiring 5 years 3 weeks ago #52

mac
The rules are the umps perception and changes the next contest.
The AFL playing with the game each year makes it perception based and not solid logic rules as in Hogans $2000 fine for a contest for the ball when Norths Cunnington blow to Nathan Wilson’s stomach away from the ball got the same penalty.
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Corporal Agarn Poor Umpiring 5 years 3 weeks ago #53

Corporal Agarn
Can you appeal a fine,or is that just an never happens type thing?
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Suker Poor Umpiring 5 years 3 weeks ago #54

Suker
I think once you appeal, even a fine, it is reviewed and a harsher penalty may eventuate...or not.
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shane Poor Umpiring 5 years 3 weeks ago #55

shane
It's also pretty difficult to argue against their decisions because everything is so vague.

He was done for Careless Conduct, Low Impact and High Contact.

You can't argue high contact. There was high contact.


When you bump you're responsible for what happens, regardless of any intent. so you'd struggle with careless conduct, if he hit him in high,without intent then it was careless.

So you'd have to argue that it was lower than low impact. Which is basically the "it's not netball" defence.
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Stacksonthemill Poor Umpiring 5 years 3 weeks ago #56

Stacksonthemill
Get rid of the rules committee, then they don't have to justify their existence by coming up with these ridiculous rules. Nominated ruckman - Auskick stuff. Pathetic.

Shane, any bloke bent down doing up his boot laces deserves to be penalised as he has prepared poorly and not employed a double bow.
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