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TOPIC: Poor Umpiring

Raglan Matt Poor Umpiring 5 years 3 weeks ago #29

Raglan Matt
Yeti, I did not say I disagree with the calls against Freo. I disagree with the non-calls against the opposition. There is a huge advantage in getting a free kick versus a ball-up.

Maybe that's why Lyon doesn't criticise the umps, he prefers to see a stoppage.
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The_Yeti Poor Umpiring 5 years 3 weeks ago #30

The_Yeti
On the flip side, RM, I saw quite a few indiscretions by Freo players that were ignored. Some of those were defenders pushing out St Kilda forwards and taking an intercept mark. Could easily have resulted in frees to the deaf cheats but didn't.

I'm not saying they had a perfect game but it was certainly better than I had expected and I'd be happy with kind of umpiring every week.
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rogerrocks Poor Umpiring 5 years 3 weeks ago #31

rogerrocks
I heard on the grapevine that the AFL were going to have Margetts and Fisher umpiring Freo every week until they get it right.
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shane Poor Umpiring 5 years 3 weeks ago #32

shane
Yeah, I remember hearing that too. 2004 I think it was.
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mellors Poor Umpiring 5 years 3 weeks ago #33

mellors
Gresham pushed several different players in the back, but he does it well. Good player to watch if not against us. At least 1 directly resulted in a goal where Hamling flew and got the subtle shove.
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DJKL Poor Umpiring 5 years 3 weeks ago #34

DJKL
After watching a heap of AFLW this year I have to say that I thought those games had some of the best umpiring I'd ever seen. They let many 50/50 calls just play on, especially with tackling. When it could have been holding the ball vs holding too long when the ball jarred out, they let the play go on. Really helped with the flow of the game I thought.
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mac Poor Umpiring 5 years 3 weeks ago #35

mac
I found myself yelling at the TV lately watching other games. A example of crap rules and umpiring was the free kick to West Coast calculated fall into the back off a Collingwood player who was on the ground for the several minutes..and fifty metres to create more confusion for the confused.
The softness on forwards getting free kicks this year for having a pair of arms not holding around the wrist or basic body on body classed as blocking is a joke. Unless we get a couple or several.
Players crashing packs and the knee in the back for a screamer with no intention of being in the making contest should be looked at....before we play West Coast.
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rogerrocks Poor Umpiring 5 years 3 weeks ago #36

rogerrocks
I always thought that if you flew for the mark, put a knee in a back, and then made no contact with the ball it was an unrealistic attempt and you'd get a free against you. But it doesn't seem so cut and dried these days...
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Dockermus Poor Umpiring 5 years 3 weeks ago #37

Dockermus
Good to hear from Paul Roos, talking during this evenings 'On the Couch', asking for full time, professional umpires to be appointed. He asked "how can we have a consistent approach from (part time) umpires; surely it's got to be time for full time umpires?".
I couldn't agree more.
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shane Poor Umpiring 5 years 3 weeks ago #38

shane
The problem with umpires is people trying to create this impossible idea of a consistent approach. I'll tell you who's fault that is. Bloody coaches.

The best thing for making a decision on a loosely written rule, in a rapidly moving game is a human brain. Yet they've spent the last 20 years trying to remove that aspect from umpiring, with their guidelines and their technical interpretations that remove any context from the decision making process. So we get ridiculous ideas like 'hands in the back' or the current wave of deliberate out of bounds decisions, which is pretty much just anyone kicking the ball forward and having it go out of bounds.

Umpires need to be given back the ability to make subjective decisions around the way the game is being played. Yes, there will be inconsistency but there is anyway. At least if umpires are allowed to use more judgement, good umpires making their own decisions will have less impact on the game than they do now where they have to follow strict guidelines set out by a rules committee in December.
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DrRPG Poor Umpiring 5 years 3 weeks ago #39

DrRPG
Just throwing this out there.

How about the players, not break the rules.
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shane Poor Umpiring 5 years 3 weeks ago #40

shane
That kind of radical thinking will see you locked up in an asylum.
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hypen Poor Umpiring 5 years 3 weeks ago #41

hypen
The other thing here is our threshold for accepting umpiring mistakes with good grace has eroded.

The DRS in cricket is a prime example, it's solved nothing - players now feel they are being done in by umpires when too many umpires calls don't go their way. All better adjudicating standards do is diminish tolerance thresholds. People will always whinge. Listen to Shane carry on after a WAFL derby when the Sharks have gone down by 27 goals.

My major gripe with umpires is they focus on the literal text of the law instead of applying context.
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Docker by the Sea Poor Umpiring 5 years 3 weeks ago #42

Docker by the Sea
The rule I have the biggest issue with is incorrect disposal or holding the ball and the adjudication of prior opportunity. In my view too much leniency is given on prior opportunity. At the moment you could roll a dice to work out what is going to be called.
Another that I don’t understand is the nominated ruckman. Surely this could easily be resolved by penalising the team that had the third person compete.
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