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TOPIC: Repeat Injuries

hypen Repeat Injuries 5 years 1 month ago #15

hypen
No. Wait for the miraculous overnight recovery.

Morgan, our injury list in terms of numbers is not average it's above average. The number of soft tissue injuries relative to the other 17 clubs is extraordinary.

We have eight on the list.
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The_Yeti Repeat Injuries 5 years 1 month ago #16

The_Yeti
There are three things you can rely on in life, not the two that are normally quoted.

Death, Taxes and people making up stuff to be able to take cheap shots at anybody who criticises the club.

Regular as clockwork
Egurls Suck!
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Suker Repeat Injuries 5 years 1 month ago #17

Suker
Eight? Is that all? Remember 2011?
When I played footy, I never had a soft tissue injury. I never had a pre season, and I rarely trained (work, cough cough)
There is a lesson there somewhere Mr Webber.
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rogerrocks Repeat Injuries 5 years 1 month ago #18

rogerrocks
People laughed at me a couple of weeks ago when I said that Tabs was rated as "test" because he'd recovered faster than expected. And then he played.
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Stacksonthemill Repeat Injuries 5 years 1 month ago #19

Stacksonthemill
I'm with you Suker. A bit of an easy night on the track Monday. Shake off the cob webs. Thursday, a couple of laps, circle work, a bit of triangle work, a warm down lap and wrap it up. Into the rooms, half a dozen EBs, and home. No soft tissue BS at our club. A busted leg might get you a night of training, but you'd better be good for Satdee arvo!
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The_Yeti Repeat Injuries 5 years 1 month ago #20

The_Yeti
You did laps and triangle work?

We only got laps when the coach wanted to punish us for something.

Generally training consisted of booting the ball around, setting up team mates as ladders for the training speccy and listen to the coach ramble on about something. (You had to make that bit look good or you got laps)

Then finish off with a hydration session (usually EBs) and a durry.

All good for Saturday
Egurls Suck!
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R.Lyon Repeat Injuries 5 years 1 month ago #21

R.Lyon
Then there’s Bennell still TBA then will have to string 6-7 wafl games together. We’ll be lucky if we get to see him this season
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wingman Repeat Injuries 5 years 1 month ago #22

wingman
Weber is as hard to listen to as RL. Been feeding us the same lines for years now with same results. Can't remember when they had best 22 to choose from.
Unfortunately agree that we may have seen the last of S Hill unless as a free agent he decides to play for Hawks next year. Same with Sandi and Bennel probably not playing again. Actually wouldn't surprise if Sandi announces retirement before years end.
Has anyone seen Harley at the club or running laps? Saw his photo in the paper with his fish and certainly looked like he hadn't been in a gym for a while.
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Morgan Repeat Injuries 5 years 1 month ago #23

Morgan
The back-of-the-envelope average is 8 players on the injury list. We’ve got 10. I guess I don’t really count Bennell - and Sandi was always a marginal proposition- so to me that puts us pretty close to average.
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wingman Repeat Injuries 5 years 1 month ago #24

wingman
Interesting that Grey said Eagles had changed his training program to suit his individual needs and thinks he's over his injury issues.
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Sox Repeat Injuries 5 years 1 month ago #25

Sox
Exhibit A:
2016 injury cost to club by ranking points lost. Freo clearly hardest hit.
www.google.com.au/amp/s/coupler.foxsport...47bff1638ed75343c0c8

Exhibit B:
Nada. The AFL keeps its stats pretty close t it’s chest. Who ended up taking over Pope’s spreadsheets?
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Suker Repeat Injuries 5 years 1 month ago #26

Suker
Wingman, that is depressing. All players need to be reviewed and programs modified if necessary. Or have freo simply focused on the top 25 players, ala st kilda days?
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Raglan Matt Repeat Injuries 5 years 1 month ago #27

Raglan Matt
More selective stats to back a point of view;

The back-of-the-envelope average is 8 players on the injury list. We’ve got 10. I guess I don’t really count Bennell - and Sandi was always a marginal proposition- so to me that puts us pretty close to average.
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Morgan Repeat Injuries 5 years 1 month ago #28

Morgan
RM, I would love for this conversation to be based on data, but it isn't. As I've said before, the issue isn't we have injuries, or recurrent injuries, it's whether we have more injuries than other teams. Pointing to Logue's set-back and saying 'typical' is a bit like saying it's warm today so climate change is real. It might be evidence, but as one piece of data it's basically irrelevant. You'd need to point to a bigger data set.

It's also relevant to consider what type of injuries we have, and who is suffering them. There does seem to be a trend towards us getting soft tissue injuries, but we also seem to have fewer ankle and knee issues than other clubs.

If I said 'Gee, look at Hogan. He came in with a very difficult to manage foot injury, and he's on the park much sooner than expected and in reasonable shape - well done to our training staff' you'd be right to say that's just one example. But it cuts both ways.

You know that road safety ad where that bloke comes out and the guy says there were 200 deaths last year, what would be a more acceptable number? He says 70, then his family comes out. He's asked again what an acceptable number is, and he says 'zero'. It's a bit like that with injury lists. When it's your own club, there is no acceptable number of injuries. But there is AFL injury data available, so the club can actually benchmark this. We just don't have access to it.

I think our current number of injuries is a little higher than 'the acceptable number', but probably only Blakely and S Hill would be certain starters not up for selection for Freo at the moment. Missing 2 out of 22 is a pretty good result. My point is, I don't really count Bennell and Sandi as having a normal injury risk profile. If either played this year I'd be a bit surprised.

I tend to agree that S Hill might not play again. You could probably blame the fitness staff, but there are reasons very few players get over 200 games. Some is talent, and some is durability. S Hill's body might not be up to it anymore.
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