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cletus v Suns 5 years 1 month ago #155

cletus
Well...it just seemed from the "get go" (i hate that term), that we had a different attitude to the first week.

1st week, we streamed forward refused to look sideways pr backwards, and put some priority on precision and playing on at all costs.

Saw none of that yesterday.

So..

Was it the long plane flight?
Was it a hangover from the previous week?
Was it immense pressure from 'the better team om the day", but who are reeling from a severe loss of personell and experience?
Was it because we brought Hogan in for Balla's??(tall for a small.)

Or, was there a different game plan?

Could have been all of the above, but something was definitely different, and hopefully we swing back towards week 1, and never see week 2 again.

It would be hard to imagine a playing group 'wanting' to play that way.

And, if kicking down the line; creating a fustercluck around the ball; slow movement; and, looking sideways and behind, are bad habits that pressurized players fell back onto, then surely, they should have been sanctioned during the match. Ie 'dragged'.


So, to me, yesterday had RoLy's fingerprints all over it, ....hope he learnt that his fustercluck crap simply does not work!!!!
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Corporal Agarn v Suns 5 years 1 month ago #156

Corporal Agarn
Well Tucker is 22 and played around 50 games now. Is it a case of what you see now is about what you're going to get?
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rogerrocks v Suns 5 years 1 month ago #157

rogerrocks
I'll be watching Tuckers development. He went ok last week, and did reasonably last year. To me he is showing signs of maturity. I really hope he is worth sticking with.
As for the midfield, can't wait to get that surfy dude back in there. And if Sandi is fit, play him.
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cletus v Suns 5 years 1 month ago #158

cletus
Great question CA! Unfortunately, I think he's gonna be that inconsistent type bloke that we've had plenty of experience of.
Not saying he's a bad player, but hasnt shown enough in 50 games to suggest hes gonna be a prime mover.

Think the best we can hope for is he becomes a quality trade...and probably someone who'll do a lot better at another club when the shackles are released.
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Raglan Matt v Suns 5 years 1 month ago #159

Raglan Matt
Brayshaw, Cerra & co played last year in the manner they had played their junior footy, attacking , free flowing and skillful. This year after a pre-season of effort and less attention on skills they have degenerated to the Lyon model footballer. Hogan is a similar case. We recruited him to kick goals, yet he is not played in a position where he is the focal point of our attack. Is this why Bell went cold on the deal? Was he told by head office that Hogan would be "Fyfe Mk II"?
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Suker v Suns 5 years 1 month ago #160

Suker
Ok, losing to the suns soured my mood, exacerbated by the yellow scum winning and unfurling and smiling and generally being horrible humans. But, there was genuine hurt in our players and Conca's words may well stick in their minds. Think about the ecstasy amongst the group from the north bashing to this week's combined face-like-a-smacked-arse look. They know what they want. Even Lyon must crave the north feeling.
Fyfe summed it up (can't believe I said that) saying we're a young team, new players gelling, there will be some inconsistencies etc. We will develop consistency and with Blakely, Logue etc to come back...we have good times ahead.
Well that's my shot at positivity for the week. Now where's that bloody cat?
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wingman v Suns 5 years 1 month ago #161

wingman
Captain stating GC came to play. Well obviously his side didn't and that was very apparent as the day unfolded.
Now I know I've been told that I shouldn't gauge my teams performance by wins or losses but as a member I would like the club to help me mentally deal with my empty feeling right at this moment. I'm depressed just standing around the lunch room in a daze trying to explain to my freo baggers on how a loss isn't actually a loss and the ladder is not important. I told them this week my team gets to do it all over again. Run out on the ground then run around for 4 qrtrs to achieve nothing but their not buying it.
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Morgan v Suns 5 years 1 month ago #162

Morgan
Cletus, I think I’ve made this point before, but opposition coaches have an equal say on how any game is played.

North likes to play an open style of play, and we torched them. Dew would have seen the way Freo opened up North, and put in place a strategy to stop that. It’s hard to know what that is without being at the game, but it seems very unlikely that Lyon would instruct his team to go away from quick ball movement and run through the middle, and much more likely that something Dew did (of GC17 does generally) that prevented Freo from playing the way they wanted.

Good teams and coaches can adapt over the course of a game to what the opposition is doing, and great players or great effort can make coaching strategies a bit redundant. I thought GC17’s effort was a bit better than ours in the middle. Brad Hill’s running and CamMac’s classy finishing nearly gave us enough breathing space, and Fyfe threatened to win the game by himself in the last quarter, but overall I don’t think our younger players imposed their will on the game. It felt like we were a bit reactive, too many players had limited output, and the only person who seemed to have time and space to rebound the ball was Harbrow (in contrast, Wilson’s output has been down, and Ryan’s injury came at the worst possible time).

All of that could be coaching, or it could be a team lacking continuity not collectively reading the game well enough and making sensible decisions. I reckon it’s too early to say.

My guess is that because the ball bounces around like a pinball on Optus, and we’ll see a much more open game against the Saints.
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shane v Suns 5 years 1 month ago #163

shane
Were they using softer balls last year?
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hypen v Suns 5 years 1 month ago #164

hypen
If we struggled against the Suns defensive set up and approach. We'll find Saint Kilda a handful too.

They'll block them up and run off them. Saint Kilda are a big chance this week.
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Mushroom v Suns 5 years 1 month ago #165

Mushroom
I'm expecting an anti-skills fest.
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Morgan v Suns 5 years 1 month ago #166

Morgan
No, but think back to the first few rounds at Optus last season. We won our first three home games and averaged over a hundred points despite having a suspect forward line. Our ball movement from half-back was actually pretty smooth.

So even if people think we've reverted to type, our type at the start of last season was still pretty open.
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The_Yeti v Suns 5 years 1 month ago #167

The_Yeti
Except our type is an effort based congested style of footy much like what we saw in the weekend.

It's the only style Roly coaches.

Sure we have sometimes played an open game but those games are a rarity compared to the dour game we generally produce. We have to play that way because we don't have the skill level to do anything else.

Just because we looked good when we played against witches hats shouldn't be seen as the way we play now. Last weekend was the perfect reminder that the North's game was an exception
Egurls Suck!
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Detox v Suns 5 years 1 month ago #168

Detox
I actually thought we looked more skillful and classier than the Gold Coast on the weekend. They just out worked us, ran harder and put on more pressure. It was the opposite of our normal games when we have it in our half more than the other team peppering the points only to have the other team run it up the other end and score a goal. That's what it looked like to me, skills not the problem, it was heart.
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