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TOPIC: Integrity

shane Integrity 5 years 1 month ago #1

shane
Yes, I know they suck. Please don't reply with comments about journalists making things up to selling newspapers or the rest of it. That's not what this is about.

So on Sunday Mick Malthouse wrote a column about Nat Fyfe being crap. Seemed odd. Nat Fyfe's a very good player, who has weaknesses like everyone, but his Browlow Medal form is hardly the most glaring problem Fremantle have.

And Karl Langdon reckons he's saving up photos of Jesse Hogan to get him suspended from Fremantle...or something like that. It's hard to follow Karl.

And a few years ago, I think it was the 2010 Grand Final that the Eagles were smashes in, the Melbourne papers went big with the drug problems on the morning of the Grand Final, upsetting the Eagles with suggestions the Melbourne media were trying to rattle them.

Mick's article seemed odd, but Mick is odd and I'm not suggesting he's done anything wrong but, if Fyfe had been a different person and read that, and let it get to him, he could have had a bad day at work. Fyfe's performance being a huge factor in Fremantle's performance.

This sort of thing happens a lot. Journalists will target a player more than you would expect them to, often on the morning on a game. Karl could have released one of his saved photos of Hogan on the morning before Hogan lined up in an important match (if we played important matches) and effected the result of the game had Hogan been playing and playing well.

I also think back to Rhys Palmer and the Rising Star Award. He was hounded by the Victorian media about his kicking, because they wanted Rioli to win the award. I tend to think that got into his head and his kicking became a much bigger issue in his later years because of that publicity. It was an unprecedented attack on a kid, just because he'd won something.

Which gets me to gambling. The media in this country are really closely tied to the betting community. There are a lot of bookmakers advertising with the media companies, there are a lot of people in football with gambling issues.

I know they have a rule which stops accredited media from betting on a game they are at for work but I think there need to be tighter restrictions on them, similar to the ones imposed on players. There's a lot of power in the media and the organisations that publish them are not particularly ethical nowadays, it wouldn't be hard for them to help produce an outcome favourable to someone or something,
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DS Integrity 5 years 1 month ago #2

DS
Maybe not "produce an outcome" but certainly influence it heavily. Agree completely.
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bpurple Integrity 5 years 1 month ago #3

bpurple
I have never liked the link between professional team sports and gambling. Keep it for the horsies and dog dogs.
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demo1 Integrity 5 years 1 month ago #4

demo1
The AFL is so in bed with gambling companies now it will take quite some peeling back.
I find it disgusting how they have prostituted the game over it.
You cant have a decent conversation about an upcoming game without some 10yo kid quoting the odds to you.
Clubs are starting to get rid of pokies.
Lets hope the AFL grow a true social conscience and ban all betting from the game and associated areas.
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The_Yeti Integrity 5 years 1 month ago #5

The_Yeti
I don't disagree with anything that you said, Shane but I think you also need to consider that some of these personalities have agendas other than influencing a result or a player.

Mickey Outhouse had always issues with Freo and he's hardly an epitome of professionalism. Langdon doesn't even rate that high. He's still a slimer and will never pass up a chance to have a go at Freo.
Egurls Suck!
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R.Lyon Integrity 5 years 1 month ago #6

R.Lyon
I totally agree with your post Shane. It’s becoming such a massive problem and I’m sure everyone would know someone these days with a gambling problem.
Just want to know your take on why do you think he had a go at Fyfe? Put him off his game? no brownlow because everyone will be thinking on the negatives like he doesn’t work hard the opposite way, can’t kick set shots? To throw Freo off their game? Or just click bait?
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Raglan Matt Integrity 5 years 1 month ago #7

Raglan Matt
Struggling for relevance would be my bet on Mad Mick and the Ranga.
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pollyanna Integrity 5 years 1 month ago #8

pollyanna
Isnt there some sort of broadcast ban on advertising betting during certain 'impressionable' hours? I think most states have it, or should, no matter what curve balls daylight savings time zoning throws up. From what I've seen this summer it's open slather for those guys - that includes C7 regurgitating the Foxtel feed into the WA market.

The ACMA summary is at ACMA.gov.au.
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shane Integrity 5 years 1 month ago #9

shane
I think he had a go at Fyfe because he's an arrogant old bastard who thought it important to bring someone down a peg or two who he felt was getting too much praise. Fyfe's not perfect but it seemed the most ridiculous thing to write about.

Which is what got me thinking about it. If a crooked bookmaker were to throw some cash around and convince someone with that sort of profile and reach, to write a hit piece on an important player, particularly in Australia with such a concentrated media, then it could have a heavy influence on a game.

There don't seem to be many safeguards around that.
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rogerrocks Integrity 5 years 1 month ago #10

rogerrocks
Maybe the club should stop the players reading the papers or watching tv or going on Dockerland for 48 hours before each game. What they don't know can't hurt them.

I imagine the club does have a policy around social media. Some players would be adversely affected by online nastiness. Except Ballas - he can do all the social media he wants to.
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Dockermus Integrity 5 years 1 month ago #11

Dockermus
I agree 100% with Shane regarding the questionable timing of the latest bit of Malthouse "insight", but I'm unable to go too far past my view that it's really just an unscrupulous media taking advantage of sad old Mick, still suffering from acute relevance deprivation. I can't offer any rational explanation for the likes of Karl Langdon and Brad Hardie. They just seem to be sad, worthless individuals.
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guy smiley Integrity 5 years 1 month ago #12

guy smiley
There's not much to it aside from people being paid for their own brand of fertiliser.

Shane's on the money about influence though. Players are regularly singled out as the media go into the inevitable pack mode... you get that when there's only a very few out of a large contingent who are able to think originally and independently.
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Suker Integrity 5 years 1 month ago #13

Suker
That was deleted? Really? After all the other comments. Wow.
No comment.
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shane Integrity 5 years 1 month ago #14

shane
I doubt they read it the papers, I doubt that Fyfe read the article and it certainly didn't effect him.

For a recent example, if you look at how the Tayla Harris commentary went, it was unescapable for her. That could have had an impact on how she played on the weekend. She doesn't seem like the type but who knows with another player.

If Gary Lyon kicked something off on the radio on Monday morning, ran with it on his other shows, wrote about it in the column I presume he has, tweeted some more about it when he ran out of gigs. That's going to impact someone. Particularly if it's laced with some innuendo or gossip.

That's fine when it's just them doing their job but if there was something else behind it, we wouldn't know.

I'm just saying that the potential is there and maybe the AFL need to tighten up on the integrity laws surrounding the accredited media.
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