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TOPIC: Neale replacement

Raglan Matt Neale replacement 5 years 1 month ago #57

Raglan Matt
Morgan,
They run the same distance these days, and probably at less intensity in the midfield. It’s a red herring.

As I said earlier, if your mids are not doing the job, replace them. I don't advocate Hogan camping in the goalsquare, but I would like most of his posessions to be within kicking distance of goal, because that is what he is good at and that is what we recruited him for.

Just because Melbourne played him out of position, it doesn't mean we have to too. My idea of the ideal forward setup would be Lobb camped in the square with a Ballas/Switkowski type there to crumb, Hogan roaming the inside 50 flattening defenders who try and fill the space, while marking everything that comes his way and kicking goals, and Tabs providing the link up to the centreline. Any number of mids/half forwards can crumb what Hoges and Tabs spill. It is their job to be running into the 50 with or after the ball, not the tall forwards.
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Morgan Neale replacement 5 years 1 month ago #58

Morgan
Yeti, what you do on here is up to you (and to some degree Shane I suppose). All I’m saying is from the outside people probably think we’re as bad as each other, and I think that despite our good intentions we probably at times made this a less fun place for others because of our stubbornness.

I’ve decided to try and take it down a notch this year, hence walking away from the Montana post much earlier than I would have last year, and this one. I probably will fail to stick to that plan at times, but I think it’s good aim.

All I’m saying is that you might consider what Lyon’s alleged off-field behaviour has to do with this post about forward positioning or rogerrocks, and maybe join me in letting things go a little earlier.

It’s obviously a matter for you, but I think people would probably enjoy seeing a little less of us.
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Yossarian Neale replacement 5 years 1 month ago #59

Yossarian
Bah, I like you both.
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The_Yeti Neale replacement 5 years 1 month ago #60

The_Yeti
Bizkit,

(2nd attempt) I don't agree with your assessment. Leaving Roly out of it as my remarks never included him until I responded to other, but as a logical arrangement I think its a bad idea.

I. He is still in some rehab for his navicular stress fractures, which is fair enough as these are not a simple 'wait 2 weeks and all is better' kind of thing

II. I'm not advocating him as a stay at home forward. He's not suitable for that. If he was a big and solid as Pav or Hodor...or Buddy or Lockett, then yeah but he is mobile. That mobility should be used to run repeated leads from a forward position. ie He should be our deep forward and Tabs, who is a little more solid, should be at half forward, drifting deeper forward to provide a chop out for Hogan.

III. Hogan is a better kick on goal than pretty much anybody except Mikey maybe. He is however not a not long kicker of the ball and he should be shooting on goal from as deep in the 50 as we can get him.

IV. I disagree with your assessment on how much he would get bumped around. As a leading forward, there would be much less than he would experience in a congested midfield. Coaches like to get numbers around the ball, particularly defensive coaches and the midfield is very often a place where solid bumps will be experienced. Having blokes like Sandi, Hodor, Fyfe, Mundy to do the bumping , blokes like the Hills and Walters on the outside to deliver the ball forward to a leading forward is old fashioned but it works. Look at the slime (if you have a strong stomach) but Kennedy and Darling do just that. They run into spaces when their mids get the ball and it results in more goals than we kick. The slime are supposed to have a crap midfield but they get good value because they have 2 forwards leading into space when they clear the crowded midfield.

V. Running Hogan through the midfield does run the risk of repeating or aggravating his current condition and it risks wearing him out, where using him as a leading forward would be better for his longevity.
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rogerrocks Neale replacement 5 years 1 month ago #61

rogerrocks
When I looked at the slime, the presence of their two big forwards (and resting ruckman) was obvious. What was interesting to me was the patience and confidence they had outside the forward 50 waiting for something to open up. And that confidence was built on the knowledge that they were kicking to experienced players who would win almost all contests if the ball was kicked to their advantage (not the forwards, the other mids). The other thing that gave them an advantage is that they generally didn't look as tired as their opponents. Again, it might be experience, but isn't life easy when you are kicking to someone who has left their opposite number a few metres behind?

If we can match them in that part of the game, our forwards will look a million dollars. If we can frustrate that part of their game, I'll be very happy.
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Raglan Matt Neale replacement 5 years 1 month ago #62

Raglan Matt
Nah, RR, the eagles were kicking to space because they had targets forward, so they got the footy in before it got crowded. We do the opposite, witness all here who call for our forwards to spend most of their time backward of the centre.
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Blue1red1 Neale replacement 5 years 1 month ago #63

Blue1red1
When I last watched the slime, that forward bloke dropped a mark and I laughed and Laughed. Thank you for taking back there. Lets hope we have a few more blokes getting the ball in and a few more swallowing the delivery.
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rogerrocks Neale replacement 5 years 1 month ago #64

rogerrocks
There is more than one tune in the world RM.
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smerf Neale replacement 5 years 1 month ago #65

smerf
I don't know if running Hogan through the midfield in a scratchy is an act of idiocy or genius, but a possible benefit that hasn't been mentioned is that chucking Hogan in with the midfield crew might accelerate the growth of midfield-forward chemistry and his ability as a forward to read and anticipate our midfielders' clearances and breaks early.
He might be easily able to develop that by just staying forward and reading the incoming play, and maybe there's no real difference between how our midfield works compared with melbourne, but I reckon getting amongst it with the midfield would have some value as he gels with a new playing group.
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Raglan Matt Neale replacement 5 years 1 month ago #66

Raglan Matt
The best way for Hogan to develop mid/forward chemistry, is to lead from the square to the 45/50 meter mark when they get the footy, mark it and kick goals, so all they have to do is jog back to the centre square. Not chase the footy back and forward across half back.

It aint rocket surgery, even Slappo could tell you that.
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