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Corporal Agarn The Clayton's Review 5 years 2 months ago #1

Corporal Agarn
The off season review of our medical/fitness team. So did we have one? If so who has heard anything about it? Has anything changed?

Last year Roly and a lot of us bemoaned our continual injury woes, particularly soft tissue injuries. There was a promised review of the programme and staff. Well I don't think there has been any changes to personnel and already we have Hill, Sandilands, Blakely, Bennell and Hamling all side lined with soft tissue injuries.

So it was either the review you have when you're not having a review or it's the same old SNAFU.
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Blue1red1 The Clayton's Review 5 years 2 months ago #2

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I hope Optus Stadium is doing a review of the surface they have there. The way the ball was moving in the outfield suggests it is pretty damn hard ATM. Not the sort of thing you want a bloke with a dodgy foot / calf playing on every second week.
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shane The Clayton's Review 5 years 2 months ago #3

shane
Is that true though? I would have thought that a firm ground was better for a calf than a boggy ground. The strain would come from the extension, not the contraction so a firm surface would require less exertion to leave the ground. Worse for bones and joints from the impact.
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Blue1red1 The Clayton's Review 5 years 2 months ago #4

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I'm not a medical expert in the field, but this article from runners world would suggest Hard surfaces aren't good
Save the calves
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shane The Clayton's Review 5 years 2 months ago #5

shane
I take the point that "your calves act as a deceleration tool for your body" but I think we're using a different scale for 'firm' when talking about a road v a grassed oval.
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shane The Clayton's Review 5 years 2 months ago #6

shane
The theory back when the Eagles joined the VFL was that people from WA tended to run on their toes more, because they grew up running on firm sandy surfaces whereas the Victorian grounds were boggy so they had to roll off their heel a bit more.

It would be interesting to know if that was still a thing and, with all the thinking at AFL House coming from a southern state prospective, if grounds everywhere are now prepared for Victorians over Western Australians, and if that causes us issues.
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shane The Clayton's Review 5 years 2 months ago #7

shane
Someone should do a review.
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The_Yeti The Clayton's Review 5 years 2 months ago #8

The_Yeti
Yeah I'm no medical expert myself but reading that article, it seems that the hard surfaces is referring to are things like roads not grassed areas.

Additionally, Shane's point about soft ground causing issues definitely makes sense. Try running along a sandy beach sometime and see how your calves pull up because I'm predict right now they'll be sore.

There would also be limitations on how soft they can make a surface that supports sports, concerts and who knows what else that requires temporary structures to be erected. Too soft and the damage done wouldn't be repairable in time for the next event.

I'm not sure the surface should greatly impact any review of the medical / fitness departments because they train on a ground where they have significant input into its preparation and only play on Optus once per fortnight, excluding derbies.
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shane The Clayton's Review 5 years 2 months ago #9

shane
That's true but if you have an intimate understanding of the grounds you'll be running on then you can factor that in to the training. They call themselves sports scientists but it's amazing many elements they leave to guesswork.

They built two ovals at the new training facility, supposedly so they could replicate different sized ovals. Do you think they tried to replicate the different surfaces? It would be a huge advantage to be able to run on the exact surface of the MCG prior to playing there.
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Blue1red1 The Clayton's Review 5 years 2 months ago #10

Blue1red1
Wasn't suggesting that roads and grass were the same. It would be like saying because a bowling green is grass the surface is not hard as a road. Fair Call, it's all relative. But a bowling green is pretty damn firm. Just saying that with Jesse's foot , Sandi's calve, playing on a really firm surface might not help their causes. Does anyone know if their is a standard for the AFL grounds? I remember back a bit that the Players were having issues at the old Etihad stadium and they also resurfaced the MCG and last year there was concern in Perth
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Morgan The Clayton's Review 5 years 2 months ago #11

Morgan
Most AFL-standard grounds don’t use one type of grass; rather they use a mixture of two or more grasses (usually couch and rye) to account for how they wear and grow differently at different times of the year. Even if you used the exact same grass mix as the MCG at your training ground in Cockburn, the different climatic conditions and soil would mean they would grow at different rates and feel very different when you trained/played on them.

A while back they found a link between certain types of grass and ACL injuries. I can't remember anything in particular about calves.
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Raglan Matt The Clayton's Review 5 years 2 months ago #12

Raglan Matt
Morgan, re;
A while back they found a link between certain types of grass and ACL injuries. I can't remember anything in particular about calves.


If that was when they were studying the eagles, I don't think they were interested in the link between grass and calves.
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shane The Clayton's Review 5 years 2 months ago #13

shane
I didn't say it would be easy to do, I just said it would give us an advantage. We're not shy of spending a dollar so it would have been well worth trying. The whole area was excavated for the build, so all the soil and grass used on the Cockburn facility was imported. They didn't just plant some grass in existing soil.

I think the ACL theory was that couch grass is thicker so the boots can get stuck in it whereas the rye grass is less dense so you slip over more. It was a bit sketchy though because they used the SG as the example which doesn't get rye type until later in the season and they were getting more injuries at the start of the season - but that throws up a lot of variables if you ask me. So it's not so much the grass itself as the slipping over, which is a dumb way to think about it. The only sure thing is that Hayden Ballantyne's shouldn't every have to worry about his knees.
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Jezza The Clayton's Review 5 years 2 months ago #14

Jezza
Well I’d say that running on any surface is tough on the body. I’m more concerned with the hard surfaces doing damage to the foot. The calves are the least of your worries. Like most I’m just your average joe blow and certainly no quack but you’re more susceptible to plantar fasciitis, stress fracture, ankle sprains, bunions, archilles, turf toe, heel spurs etc if you’re running on hard surfaces, turf or road.
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