Herkes tarafından bilinerek sevilen site olan 1xbet canlı adresi sizlere büyük avantajlar ile farklı bahis imkanları sunmaktadır. Bilindik bir firma olması nedeni ile her defasında yeni bir 1xbet güncel adrese taşınıyor. Paylaşılan adreslerden sizlere en uygun 1xbet türkiye giriş güncel adresine kolaylıkla hemen ulaşabilirsiniz. Sizlerde kolaylıkla her cihazınızda aktif olan 1xbet mobile ile bahis yaparak, üyelik oluşumunu halledebilirsiniz. Büyük promosyonlardan yararlanarak üyelik açmak için 1xbet live adresini kullana bilirsiniz. Üyelik oluşturduktan sonra kolaylıkla yatırım yapmak için mobil ödeme bahis kabul gördüğünü anlayabilirsiniz. Hiç bir yerde olmayan canlı bahis özelliklerini sizlerde hemen kullanın. Aktif bir şekilde işlem yapan canlı bahis sitesi editörler tarafından özenle araştırılarak seçilmiştir. Ülkemizde resmi yayın yapmayan sitelerin çoğu kaçak bahis adı altında görev yapmaktadır. İnternetten yayın yapan kaçak bahis siteleri kullanıcılarına yüksek oranlar sunan bir adrestir. Hemen sizlerde casino oyunun farkına ve eğlencesine varmak için kayıt oluşturun.

TOPIC: Buggerations

Raglan Matt Buggerations 5 years 3 months ago #43

Raglan Matt
Morgan, I still believe our midfielders are playing too far behind the ball, and are not programmed to attack our forward line in a 50/50 situation, Tigers and Eagles have succeeded over the last couple of years because they have taken that chance. We do win the footy in the middle, but because we have not enough players forward when the ball gets there it is turned over and kicked over our arriving players heads. Leading to that classic under 10's situation of players chasing the footy and looking foolish in doing so.

We have a lot of very talented natural footy players and should let them play the game on their terms rather than restricting them to unworkable and unsuccessful strategys borrowed from other sports.
Login to reply,
cletus said You Beaut

cletus Buggerations 5 years 3 months ago #44

cletus
I agree with you RM, and whilst i respect your opinion Morgan, I dont agree with it!. If you are saying that no team has had permanent forwards since 2006, well...'sheesh' ....!!

Yep, they are more mobile nowadays, and more likely to run down back to create pressure....but geez....I would not agree that every team for the last 12 years has been playing 'Pagan's Paddock' style footy.... and, if we are simply 'copying the style' that everyone else is/has been playing ...well,....a) we are really doing a bad job of it, and, b) everyone else is doing a really great job of it. !

Either way, its our recent results are the result of 'really hopeless coaching'!!

But, as always you are steadfast & unmovable in your belief that we have a perfectly good & functioning forward structure just like everyone else..... so as always, I need to disagree with your belief.

Having said all that, I'd like your opinion on a question I have pondered for a while...and would appreciate anyone else's input....

Do you think Wilson could move through the centre and play some sort of midfield role??

He has skills and a great kick - Id love to see him having a crack from 60 or 70 out, and, well ...hes a pretty mobile sort of fellow. Yep , he's been a "run-off" backman, but he really has no real "attribute" that makes him a backliner...excepting a penchant for it.

Could he be made into a midfielder??? Or would we lose too much as a run off player...? If Bewley is all that they are saying he is, well you could put him down there and Ryan, Hill, Bewley (and Conca) could all play that 'run-off' role, thereby releasing Willo to better use his natural ball sense and kicking skills in the middle....

Would be interested in anyones thoughts.....??
Login to reply,

Corporal Agarn Buggerations 5 years 3 months ago #45

Corporal Agarn
Interesting thoughts there Cletus. Wilson did have a few shots on goal last year if I remember rightly and his set shot kicking was about on par with most of the rest of the side-not good.
Towards the end of the year Ryan was given some runs on the ball, so thoughts on him as well. Big body, hard at it and doesn't mind the rough stuff. Lots to like.
Login to reply,
cletus said You Beaut

mac Buggerations 5 years 3 months ago #46

mac
Morgan..We did our hands on the ball first in centre bounces..we did get our hands on the ball around the ground BUT the players made wrong decisions under pressure ( the young and old ).
With youngsters not coping with the pressure of the opposition and then our players putting pressure on team mates
with the the same old first option handpass to a player because its predicable and op teams have players covered very quickly.
The only time I saw the short kick game which is " the now" the thing was in the backline and that got scary.
The kicking game can slow to control or speed up the game and if you have the options in players holding their part of "game plan " around the ground as seen by last years premiers.
Login to reply,

Raglan Matt Buggerations 5 years 3 months ago #47

Raglan Matt
Mac, my thoughts on that are that the players made the wrong decisions under pressure, because receiving players were not where they should have been, ie; ahead of the ball.

Cletus, players like Wilson and Ryan should be taking those potshots at goal, running from half-back. If we are an attack based team, they will be running through the middle of the ground and receiving the footy in space. With our tactics over the last couple of years there has been no space back of the centre, so nowhere for them to create. The thing that always puzzled me was that Lyon & co claimed they wanted S Hill to play off half back to do that job, but then instituted a game plan that made it impossible for him to do what they claimed they wanted.

That has been the reason why I have been calling for Lyon & co's head. They have no clear and positive strategy.
Login to reply,
cletus said You Beaut

Suker Buggerations 5 years 3 months ago #48

Suker
No...for years we were screaming for pace and good kickers from half back. Leave wilson and ryan there.
Login to reply,
The_Yeti, Docker by the Sea, R.Lyon said You Beaut

rogerrocks Buggerations 5 years 3 months ago #49

rogerrocks
RM, I don't think you need players camped in the forward line. These days your big tall forwards are often used to get the ball out of defence. The slime often use Kennedy and Darling as targets for kicks out of deep defence. But I do agree with you that you can't have everyone back. Someone, preferably someone fast, needs to be positioned well and ready to sprint for the ball if it comes out of defence quickly and gets into the forward 50. For us that used to be Ballas, but he is too slow for that now. Maybe the speedy new guy?

But in general, the good teams are happy to go backwards, or sideways, or forwards. To them getting the ball clear of the centre huddle is the key thing. Once they are clear, they know they have the personnel and skills to move the ball into a dangerous position. Of course going backwards every time is too predictable, so you need to mix it up.

Again, the key thing in those good teams is confidence in their ability to maintain possession. And that is why experience is so important. A good 28 year old will beat a good 21 year old in a contest most of the time. We don't have enough quality experience around the ground, although it will be better this year than last.
Login to reply,

Raglan Matt Buggerations 5 years 3 months ago #50

Raglan Matt
Naah, RR , can't agree. What we need to do is get the footy in to 1 on 1 contests. The only way to do that is to have forwards in place before the footy gets there. They can move up the ground, sure but keep players rotating in to replace the option that has led up to the middle. It is no good getting to the forward line after the footy, we have proved that over the last few years.
Login to reply,
cletus said You Beaut

Morgan Buggerations 5 years 3 months ago #51

Morgan
Cletus, I’ve been wrong about a lot of things, so it wouldn’t be the first time.

I’ve said before, there is a bit of chicken and egg with where the forwards position themselves. When we are getting thumped often you’ll see our forward line empty. So, yeah, there is certainly a correlation between an empty forward line and us not scoring goals. But in my view it’s not the cause of us not scoring goals, it’s actually a symptom of getting beaten around the ground and our forwards getting sucked behind play.

There is a lot of player tracking data these days, and my hypothesis is that if you controlled for where the ball was on the field, our forward movement wouldn’t look a lot different to most teams.

I would agree with RM that our players do seem a little less inclined to run forward when the ball is in dispute. As I said before, you’d need a fair bit of confidence you were going to win it, and your teammates would get it to you before you started seagulling up the ground. I don’t think we had that confidence the last couple of years, and if you look at those midfield stats I don’t know why any sensible player would.

I’d also agree that having better forwards means the players will have a bit more confidence to go quickly and long. What I loved about Hogan at Melbourne was that even though he pushed into the middle to provide a target, deep down he’s as goal-hungry as they come, so he’ll have no hesitation trying to get goal side of his player. I reckon that’s healthy. I don’t think Cox had the confidence (or pace) to do that, and I don’t think Tabs had the wherewithal to know when to push aggressively forward or when to get up at the ball. Neither has the combination of timing and pace to be a long-lead player like Kennedy. But between Hogan, Tabs, Lobb and Cox there are plenty of options, and I’m very excited to see CamMac floating around wing and half-forward as a link man, pushing forward when he has the right match-up.

As for Wilson, I think teams are all searching for someone to play the ‘quarterback’ role of setting up their attack from defence. Wilson is one of the best and most aggressive kicks in the league, and I we’re much better served with him there. Given the extended kick-in area being introduced this season, he can be a real weapon for us. If Lyon and the team can sort things out, I reckon there will be some slingshot exits from Wilson putting it in front of B Hill in one kick and getting us to the wing.
Login to reply,
cletus, rogerrocks, Corporal Agarn, Docker by the Sea, Suker said You Beaut

cletus Buggerations 5 years 3 months ago #52

cletus
Very good response Morgs -as always :))

But -as always- I'm not sure I agree that it'should all be landed at the feet of lazy , good-for-nuthin' players! You know as well as I that the coach is entirely responsible for where those lazy, good-for-nuthin' players start, end up, and go to.... and well... I'm not certain he is blameless for our last few years results.?

As for our lack of confidence, well...sometimes letting a bloke 'chance his arm' and 'throwing it to the wind' is a bloody good way of building some confidence - and yep, this can also have the opposite effect when it goes horribly wrong - but I'm not certain that RoLy's regimented, 'close it all down', kick it to the pack on the boundary line, ways have been very conducive to instilling that confidence.

Anyhow, happy to agree to disagree, ...and anyway, its all behind us now!! We are going to notch up 15 wins this year....Jezza has convinced me its happening!! :))
Login to reply,
Raglan Matt, Corporal Agarn said You Beaut

larkin Buggerations 5 years 3 months ago #53

larkin
Good players make a coach look good.
Login to reply,
rogerrocks, Docker by the Sea said You Beaut

Raglan Matt Buggerations 5 years 3 months ago #54

Raglan Matt
Yes, Larkin, and bad coaches make good players look bad.
Login to reply,