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TOPIC: Training programs.

Straddo Training programs. 5 years 4 months ago #1

Straddo
Interesting comments from a young lion, Alex Witherden. I'm not very good at linking but it's easy to find the article on the AFL app.

"It was touched on by the coaching staff and leadership group at the end of the season that if we just do the program set for us, we'll continue to just be around the mark and mediocre, and we're going to have to invest in our own careers and invest in extra training to go to that next level."

Although the Lions have hardly been a force over the last few years, it does make me wonder about how other football departments (ours included) sets up programs for the players. Maybe the young fellas need to get out there and take some responsibility for their own abilities, or lack thereof.

On a side note, hopefully the club is paying for it and it's not coming out of his own pocket. The ATO is a lot tougher on the claimability of personal development than it used to be.
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shane Training programs. 5 years 4 months ago #2

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It's staggering how much these coaches get paid to not be responsible for anything.
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Suker Training programs. 5 years 4 months ago #3

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And Bennell will most likely finish at Freo due to injuries, then simply manage himself and have a long dominant career in the WAFL, injury-free.
I wonder if players do have the right to refuse a treatment program or therapy plan, and go their own way. I'd say there would be players all over the league who get frustrated with repeated injury problems, how they are managed etc and have had enough! Second opinion? Third opinion...independent of the club recommended medicos?
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Raglan Matt Training programs. 5 years 4 months ago #4

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Straddo, that is the coaches way of saying "I don't want to have to work too hard in the heat of January/February, so get yourselves fit or I will be bloody grumpy." It is hard to believe the club has restrictions and protocols around almost all aspects of their lives, but tells them to manage themselves when it comes to the aspect that the club/coaching panel should be most responsible for, the way they perform on the field. Is that a reason why Brisbane have struggled for a while? It seems like a total abrogation of responsibility to me.
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jimb2 Training programs. 5 years 4 months ago #5

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I think the guy is just saying that the coaches can't do everything. If you turn up on time and our best program you'll get so far, if you take an active intelligent interest in managing yourself you'll go further. The player is in the perfectly situation to monitor and remedy his own performance. The club should have a great cache of skills to call on. Be an active partner.

This is a common story among top performers in any sport. Working for years on their weaker skills and limitation.
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freo00 Training programs. 5 years 4 months ago #6

freo00
If the players have done there job by getting fitter and more skillful without the coaches , why do we need these highly payed coaches ?
I would have thought that a good coaching group would help with there weaker skills and limitation .
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Morgan Training programs. 5 years 4 months ago #7

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At various times Freo (and most clubs) have spoken about ‘minimum standards’, ‘non-negotiables’ and ‘required sessions’. The implication seems to be that clubs draw a baseline, and then it is up to the player whether they are comfortable merely meeting those expectations or want to put in the extra time and effort to exceed them. There are a few good reasons for that, including that the time spent with each player is sensibly limited by the AFLPA (especially in respect of the off-season), and that players themselves have a stake and insight into what is required to elevate their game.

It seems like a sensible approach to me. I’m sure some players would never leave the gym unless they were kicked out, and others would like a little more balance in their lives. The alternative would be to prescribe every single minute of a player’s program, which would probably alienate a bunch of the players, and would remove the agency of the players. Most workplaces have minimum requirements, and it is up to the individual whether ‘not being sacked’ is the benchmark, or whether they want to put in harder yards to progress their career. I don’t see this as any different.
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freo00 Training programs. 5 years 4 months ago #8

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So there is a lot of slack assed players around then ?
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Morgan Training programs. 5 years 4 months ago #9

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I doubt it. I think just to make it to the AFL level, let alone play regular matches, you would have to be ridiculously dedicated. I reckon even the laziest football player would have to be above average for drive and effort. But at elite levels of sport, some players are almost pathologically driven. So that raises the question: at which training levels to you set the program. Set it too high, you burn out some players, set it too low, and you don’t get the best performance out of the players. You could try and set a perfect program taking into consideration of the players drive, but that’s rather paternalistic, and then you bake in inequalities into the prgram (ie, “why do I need to do this program when he doesn’t have to”).

It seems the sensible approach is to afford players a degree of free will about their careers. I would have thought that was uncontroversial, but I guess not.
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freo00 Training programs. 5 years 4 months ago #10

freo00
I suppose if it goes without saying , why say it .

I would look at it like a school teacher trying to do the best for the young person for his or her future .

Would a teacher tell them to go and work things out for yourself .

Sorry kid I can only show you the basics .
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rogerrocks Training programs. 5 years 4 months ago #11

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But Freeooo, that is exactly what teachers do. They teach the basics, and if you want more its up to you. They may recommend a good book, or online resource, or even set a few more difficult problems to challenge you, but basically its up to you.
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freo00 Training programs. 5 years 4 months ago #12

freo00
But he can't read !
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R.Lyon Training programs. 5 years 4 months ago #13

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Best players are always the hardest trainers. So many stories of Ronaldo as an youngster playing for United and found in the gym at midnight. Even at the top of his game and towards the end of his career his new teammates have said they’ve never seen anyone work as hard. It’s hard work otherwise every footballer would look like fyfe
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The_Yeti Training programs. 5 years 4 months ago #14

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Yeah, rr, I'm going to disagree with you a bit there.

Not sure any teacher would agree with your comments and as a former teacher, I'd have to say that we taught the entire curriculum not just the basics. That was techniques, methods, content...well beyond the basics.

We also kept a constant eye out for students with weaknesses so that they could be dealt with asap. Having done remedial teaching for a while, let me tell you that fixing problems early was much easier and took less time.

It was the same when I lectured post grad students, although they had fewer problems to resolve. You looked for and addressed and perceived deficiencies. Those who didn't, didn't last long
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