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TOPIC: Members' Meeting - 27/Nov/2018

larkin Members' Meeting - 27/Nov/2018 5 years 4 months ago #113

larkin
Doesn't Roly have the best win loss ratio of all our coaches ever?
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freo00 Members' Meeting - 27/Nov/2018 5 years 4 months ago #114

freo00
Yes he does , he has grown the most plants in boots .
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Suker Members' Meeting - 27/Nov/2018 5 years 4 months ago #115

Suker
I think some would like to plant the boot...into Lyon.
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The_Yeti Members' Meeting - 27/Nov/2018 5 years 4 months ago #116

The_Yeti
Larkin,

in a word, no he doesn't.

Current coaches range from 68.9% to 22.7%.

If you count coaches with more than 100 games under their belt, the best is Chris Scott on 68.9%
Longmire 66.8% (1 premiership)
Simpson 64.4% (1 premiership)
Clarkson 63.3% (4 premierships)
Lyon 57.4% (no premierships)
Hinkley 55.8% (no premierships)
Hardwick 53.9% (1 premiership)
Cameron 53.8% ( no premierships but was given an immature list to start his career)
Buckley 53.7% (no premierships)
Scott B 51.2% (No premierships)
Worsfold 50.6% (1 premiership)
Richardson 33.6% (no premierships, dud list)

There are a further 2 coaches with a better win loss record in Pyke (64.8%) and Goodwin (58.3%) but I don't think they should be counted until they've coached 100 games. 100 games gives enough of a sample to get reasonably valid comparisons

Edit:

Re-reading your post, as far as Freo coaches go, yes he is but not by much

Allan 15.38%
Drum 24.5%
Neesham 36.6%
Harvey 40%
Connolly 52.8%
Lyon 54.2%

Allan inherited a basket case so he can be excused. Drum created a basket case, so no excuse for him. Neesham started out with a compromised list, so some ground can be given there. Harvey had to do a complete rebuild, so a little ground can be given. Ditto Connolly and now Lyon.

Not a lot to choose between Lyon's record and Connolly's
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Raglan Matt Members' Meeting - 27/Nov/2018 5 years 4 months ago #117

Raglan Matt
Yeti, I think he means of all Freo coaches ever. I know he is ahead of Ben Allen, and I would guess he is ahead of Damian Drum. Not sure about the rest though.
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The_Yeti Members' Meeting - 27/Nov/2018 5 years 4 months ago #118

The_Yeti
Yeah RM, I saw that and amended my post
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purple kit Members' Meeting - 27/Nov/2018 5 years 4 months ago #119

purple kit
Technically Lyon is our most successful coach, just pipping Connolly by 3% win loss ratio, if you want finals success then Harvey is your man with a whopping 50% win loss ratio, better than Lyon & Connelly.
Coach Seasons Total games Finals games Grand Final
appearances Premiership
wins
G W L D Win% G W L D Win%
1 Gerard Neesham 1995–1998 88 32 56 0 36.36 — — — — — — —
2 Damian Drum 1999–2001[a] 53 13 40 0 24.53 — — — — — — —
3 Ben Allan† 2001[a] 13 2 11 0 18.18 — — — — — — —
4 Chris Connolly 2002–2007 129 67 62 0 51.94 4 1 3 0 25.00 — —
5 Mark Harvey 2007–2011 97 39 58 0 40.21 2 1 1 0 50.00 — —
6 Ross Lyon 2012–[c] 162 87 74 1 54.01 9 4 5 0 44.44
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The_Yeti Members' Meeting - 27/Nov/2018 5 years 4 months ago #120

The_Yeti
pk, I didn't include finals in my stats as I thought the H & A numbers provided a more accurate picture

edit:

If you include finals as well then its

Lyon 53.68%
Connolly 51.94%
Harvey 40.21%

Source: afltables.com/afl/stats/coaches/fremantle.html

There is still not much difference in the win / loss ratio for both Connolly and Lyon but Harvey is clearly the go to guy for finals :)
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Jezza Members' Meeting - 27/Nov/2018 5 years 4 months ago #121

Jezza
Very fine stats there fellas. But he’s the only one that took us to a GF, and by crikey, if only. He’s rebuild the team with help from out recruiters and Belly this year. The house is now all re-wired and re-plumbed. It’s a matter of now enjoying the comforts of home, putting on some opera and let the conductor conduct.
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purple kit Members' Meeting - 27/Nov/2018 5 years 4 months ago #122

purple kit
Fair enough, I just thought it was interesting that Harvey took our team through a complete rebuild from 2008 to 2010 and had us playing finals, then had the team taken off him and given to Lyon, who took it right to edge of glory but still has a worse finals record than Harvey. then we fell off a cliff and never recovered.
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shane Members' Meeting - 27/Nov/2018 5 years 4 months ago #123

shane
That really doesn't contribute to the conversation, Jezza.
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Rhufus Members' Meeting - 27/Nov/2018 5 years 4 months ago #124

Rhufus
Fitness and skill and the relationship between them. Of course I'm not saying Jessie Hogan shouldn't practice goal kicking. He can stay in touch, hone his skills and learn some technique, if its poor. What Im saying is that Barry Round will never kick as good as Plugger no matter how much skills training you give Barry and no matter how unfit Plugger gets. The skills were obtained when they recruited him.

Im not saying occasionally you cant take a guy like Dipierdominico who when he started couldnt hit the side of a barn door, one of the worst kicks ever and he became a Brownlow medalist with a good if not elite kick by the end. So yes, I admit, it is possible occasionally to significantly improve skills by training but usually any improvement is small.
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pollyanna Members' Meeting - 27/Nov/2018 5 years 4 months ago #125

pollyanna
You can't have a safely rewired house with a Steve camped in your roof space.
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Raglan Matt Members' Meeting - 27/Nov/2018 5 years 4 months ago #126

Raglan Matt
You can have Plugger kick like Round, if Plugger does not keep practising his skills year in, year out, and that is the argument some of us more notorious doomsayers are putting up.
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