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shane Member Elected Board Position 5 years 5 months ago #15

shane
Regardless of their motives, that makes it an easier system to exploit, should they want.
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Mercury Member Elected Board Position 5 years 5 months ago #16

Mercury
Firstly the three year term is sensible. It takes a year just to find your feet when working with a new team. Years 2 and 3 are those where you can do some good.

I am not sure of the timing. Peter Mann’s term is up and with Belly now part of the Exec and not the Board, there should be two positions vacant. The WAFC has a big say in this, but one could postulate that we will have an election for two positions on the Board. The question is, “When?”.

The election will be concurrent to start with, but life will screw this up. Someone will leave their position on the Board for some reason and an election will need to be had. It will be handy for our Club when the two member-elected positions are up for contesting at the same time, but that won’t stay that way.
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Quasimodo Member Elected Board Position 5 years 5 months ago #17

Quasimodo
Thanks Mercury for doing this for the members, the current situation was just a boys club and one I have been vocally opposed to.

When the elections come up please let us know who you are through the nominations as I will certainly vote for you, we need passionate independent people on the Board.
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shane Member Elected Board Position 5 years 5 months ago #18

shane
Yes, well done Mercury, but I'm less convinced than you that they are genuine.

That article still reads like they see it as an annoyance and a waste of their precious money. The fact that they didn't consult the wider membership base or flag any changes to the constitution outside of board level, says to me that you caught them out last time around so they shuffled the cards. They've actually succeeded in reducing the positions to just Peter Mann in a season which has the potential to require a coach and a CEO to be repalced.

And there's not one statement in that press release that is positive towards the idea of a member representative on the board.

In summary, I remain unconvinced.
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Morgan Member Elected Board Position 5 years 5 months ago #19

Morgan
I remain unconvinced about the member-elected Board position in general.

A prominent Australian law firm places a coloured chair in every meeting room, used as a proxy for the client to remind its lawyers to consider the client at all times. I'm unconvinced that a member-elected board position is any different, albeit I would expect them to be slightly more animated than a chair.

It should be trite that Board consider members. Where they don't, and they find a member-elected representative annoyingly reminding them that members exist, they could just work around them. From memory, we had Kate Grieve on the Board when the jumper changes were made without consultation with members, and the plans were put in place to move to Cockburn.

Is it unfair to expect one or two member-elected members to change anything? Probably. But when you vote for someone to nominally represent you, it creates an expectation that you will somehow be kept more in the loop. Confidentiality obligations preclude that from happening.

So while symbolism can be important in its own right, I'm just not sure it adds any accountability at all. In this case, they haven't even got the symbolism right, so I'm glad Hg has pushed them in the right direction there.

My personal, probably ill-informed view, is that the entire Board needs to be more accountable to the members, and that can't happen while the WAFC is the sole shareholder.
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Quasimodo Member Elected Board Position 5 years 5 months ago #20

Quasimodo
I wholeheartedly agree Morgan. The whole setup is wrong. Having WAFC as sole shareholder gives us no power the member elected positions are important and I strongly support independent financially paid up supporters who have no been employed by FFC as being the people able to be voted in. But 2 positions give little power and even the entire board is answerable to the WAFC.

My bigger issue is the make up of the WAFC and the vested and conflicting interests in that body.

The best way forward would be for financial members to be levied to buy out the licence and the constitution to be redrafted allowing only fully paid up members to vote for all board positions and these people being the only ones eligible for appointment to our Board.

To be frank well actually in this case Murray. We are a vassal of west Coast. The whole set up is a sham and designed to ensure we never eclipse those mongrels.
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Mercury Member Elected Board Position 5 years 5 months ago #21

Mercury
In defence of the current Board, there is a fair mix of people. My gripe is that they are all hand-picked. If you have two "outsiders" at least you have the chance of a different perspective. According to our website, we have eight Board members. Peter Mann is one - he is the current member-elected. If two outsiders come in via the member-elected positions, you will have two member-elected and five who are offered positions on the Board.

2 v 5 - that's an opportunity for different viewpoints being heard.

Having said that, I seem to have read somewhere that the Board's size is allowed to be twelve. 2 v 10 is tougher.

Talking about Board communications; there is a problem here. Individual members of the Board cannot disclose discussions. Only the Club President (Dale Alcock) speaks. The best that the member-elected Board members can do is to encourage greater transparency and communication.
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pollyanna Member Elected Board Position 5 years 5 months ago #22

pollyanna
Ah, that answers it then - I just thought Dale Alcock lost his voice. Not that too much has been happening that's worth talking about the past couple of years, but when all has gone to crap and you're getting flogged by everyone every week you would expect a Bored President to come out and say something.

If he's not a mute, then the others probably never met.
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shane Member Elected Board Position 5 years 5 months ago #23

shane
Classic Morgan. Obfuscate the actual issue.

We have two positions on the board which are to be elected by the members. They should be elected by the members, and the club should be positive about it and genuinely embrace the idea.

They have behaved appallingly over the past decade with respect to this and Dale Alcock should start the process by apologising to the membership for the way his board has treated the members' positions on the board.

If they don't want us on the board then they should have started the process of formally removing the positions, not game the system.
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Noddy Member Elected Board Position 5 years 5 months ago #24

Noddy
Another blxxdy deficiency in skills.<Sarc font>
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Eggy Member Elected Board Position 5 years 5 months ago #25

Eggy
I have never liked the ex player put up as a board nominee caper. A bunch of top level players are as dumb as a bag full of hammers, and let face it is an industry that turns a blind eye to misbehaviour if you can kick and catch.

Aren’t we better served by a member who brings other things to the board, maybe community spirit, maybe local football committee, experience.

Could be worse I suppose they could put in a mebers advisory board that could be ingnored all together
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Morgan Member Elected Board Position 5 years 5 months ago #26

Morgan
I'm not trying to obfuscate. I wholeheartedly agree that what the Board has done/allowed to have done to the member elected positions is poor.

But the member positions were are token gesture to appease members who, rightly, considered that being non-voting members of a club whose sole shareholder was the pro-West Coast WAFC was a problem. At its best this gesture didn't go far enough, and at its worst (as it has been lately) the member positions have been entirely pointless.

I'm all for fighting to return the member positions to what was intended - it's a first step - but it seems a long way from the goal of actually having a more representative Board.

And I know you're struggling to respond to my posts without taking a parting shot, but could you at least wait for the posts where we disagree? There's plenty of opportunity.
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pollyanna Member Elected Board Position 5 years 5 months ago #27

pollyanna
It's kinda foolish to refer to us as 'members'- the official standing nomenclature is 'seat renters' (though when seat rentership is due you normally get referred to as an account number).

This whole premise of electoral democracy is also kinda stupid - those Cockburn guys can co-opt a number of extra positions to swing things their way at any given time for however long they want. I guess I just don't get why anyone, under our current constitution, would want to get on the Bored. It would be pointless, HG - soul destroying (I would think).
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TheColonel Member Elected Board Position 5 years 5 months ago #28

TheColonel
I would put my hand up is it truly was a democratic election.
Not a sham with preselected favourites being encouraged to nominate.
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