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TOPIC: AFL 2018 Draft Predictions

shane AFL 2018 Draft Predictions 5 years 5 months ago #43

shane
Aside from this all being legally iffy and morally incompatible with the inclusive ideal of Australian Rules Football, what they've done over the past decade is fill the league with people who can follow instructions instead of people who can think football for themselves. It's stiffed the creativity and dynamics of the game because all the power resides with middle aged men protecting their 6 figure salaried jobs.

Think about this. Polly Farmer changed the game because he saw a way to play that others hadn't. I think he's someone who would be just as influential if he played in the modern era but how far down the draft do you think an Aboriginal orphan with one leg shorter than the other would slip.
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391 AFL 2018 Draft Predictions 5 years 5 months ago #44

391
So I coached an amateur sport and helped pick my u/18s team for nationals along with a panel of assistant coaches and selectors.

One of the greatest moments ever was when sport basically mandated if you got down to the final selections and you were choosing between 2 kids for team / squad and one was metro and one was regional, you picked the regional kid.

View was - showed country kids there were actual pathways, and if the country kid had made it that far without the resources / coaching / standard of competitive matches he/she had more upside and deserved the spot.

AFL could do well to follow the model.

Why I always like it when we take country kids.
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goodie AFL 2018 Draft Predictions 5 years 5 months ago #45

goodie
I have no idea who Freo are going to take but I hope someone has checked that they can kick.
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Raglan Matt AFL 2018 Draft Predictions 5 years 5 months ago #46

Raglan Matt
391, that's all good if the country kid is a better player. Pick the most talented one. That shows there is a pathway for talent, not "meeting KPI's, achieving personal bests" and all the rest of the professional coachspeak that keeps the blokes mentioned above by Shane in their $6 figure jobs that they haven't really earned.

Most times the country kid will show up as the more likely prospect because they have had to compete out of their age division from day 1, giving them an unfair advantage.
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winteriscoming AFL 2018 Draft Predictions 5 years 5 months ago #47

winteriscoming
Not sure I would call a skinny kid playing against truck drivers and mechanics unfair, but I imagine he learns how to evade real well
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Noddy AFL 2018 Draft Predictions 5 years 5 months ago #48

Noddy
The good thing about Polly Farmer was that it would seem he was personally highly motivated and turned up for training and games.
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shane AFL 2018 Draft Predictions 5 years 5 months ago #49

shane
That's a football thing though, not a judgement based on skin colour, family structure, family income, cost of school or haircut.

It's completely fair to not draft a player who is too lazy to turn up to play football. But I'm not sure there are many of those players in the draft.
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DS AFL 2018 Draft Predictions 5 years 5 months ago #50

DS
Not many but there are probably some. There are young blokes who look a million bucks because of brilliant natural talent and have skated through with just that. When they get to AFL you need more than just talent and some can't come to terms with that. They find they lack the motivation and determination.
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shane AFL 2018 Draft Predictions 5 years 5 months ago #51

shane
I can absolutely come to terms with the idea that there are people who have talent but are not mentally able to compete at the highest level.

What I don't subscribe to is the idea that an employer should be allowed to refuse employment to, or lessen the pay of, someone very talented because the employer made a judgement on the mental capacity of a 17 year old using information like the school they went to, their parents, where they grew up or the colour of their skin.

They are able to get away with it because they can say things like "Oh, we didn't think he'd be able to cope with the pressure of AFL football". As if they're hiring for the Apollo program.
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Blue1red1 AFL 2018 Draft Predictions 5 years 5 months ago #52

Blue1red1
Lets hope who ever we draft can kick the ball properly, read the ball in play and make good decisions under the pump. It'd be nice to see some hunger to succeed as well. We have enough blokes in the team to get the new blood in board and settle them in to their first full time job.
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hypen AFL 2018 Draft Predictions 5 years 5 months ago #53

hypen
We could do with his silky skills but there is doubt about how he'd cope with an unplanned re-entry into the earth's orbit.

Bloody public schools that don't have space academies.
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Morgan AFL 2018 Draft Predictions 5 years 5 months ago #54

Morgan
The Rendell comments were shocking, and it makes you wonder how commonly those sorts of views are held. At the top end of the draft those views are self-defeating, because you won’t last long as a recruiting manager if you miss on the best talent in the top 10 of the draft, whatever their background. It’s in the later rounds of the draft where it can really affect whether young blokes get to pursue their dreams of playing AFL football.

I don’t know what recruiters/clubs are thinking, but it seems from the outside that AFL clubs are prepared to invest the resources to help wildly talented players who don’t fit the middle-class, private school mould if they are so talented you’d be an idiot not to take them, but are less likely to think it ‘worth the hassle’ for a guy who they could take a flyer with in the third round. To me that’s a mistake. Hitting on those late round/rookies can make or break a team.

You just have to look at someone like Luke Ryan. By all reports he didn’t really pull his finger out until he was a little bit older, and he’s a slightly different cat. But Freo took a punt on him, and seem to have dealt with him reasonably well, and so we got a gem of a player for pick 66. Would we have gone down that path if he was a young indigenous kid? I hope so.

In the AFL’s defence, I think this issue is part of what drove them towards the academy model. Part of the issue seems to be how kids from very different backgrounds fit within a very rigid AFL environment. Giving young kids the chance to get a taste of that, while also encouraging clubs to engage with talented kids and get to know them a bit, can only help.
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Snail AFL 2018 Draft Predictions 5 years 5 months ago #55

Snail
Talent scouts should only select top boys from the Western suburbs.... I mean look just because daddy bought all the footies and gurneys for the team..... and mummy threw bloody stunning fund raising parties for the annual overseas training camp..... at least we know it’s private money and not that public smelly stuff handed out by governments. I mean good on the ones from up north and the missions and such like ( it gives them purpose and protects my car ) but don’t expect them to rival Commetti at the after game speaking engagements on channel 7. It’s like having a premier league match with one member of Peaky Blinders .... they just don’t fit in do they!
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pollyanna AFL 2018 Draft Predictions 5 years 5 months ago #56

pollyanna
Some clubs are willing to nurture really talented kids, Morgan - other clubs suspend them for being late to a training session because they can't work out a public transport route map. That's a fact (I'm not trying to be funny here) - this has happened more often than anyone will admit to.

But over top of everything is Joe/Josephine Average footy watcher - they wouldnt watch the game if it didnt have the Cyrils in it.
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