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TOPIC: Lyon Tells Ryan

Morgan Lyon Tells Ryan 5 years 5 months ago #57

Morgan
Yeti, if I’ve given the impression that I think Lyon is never at fault, then I apologise. Dockerland has become a bit of an echo-chamber to bagging Lyon and the club generally, so I often don’t feel the need to pile on when I agree with the criticisms (although I can’t help myself when it comes to Rosich). I’m much more likely to chime in when I feel like Lyon (or the club) is getting blamed for things I don’t think are deserved. With the exception of Jezza, Jason and a few others, there aren’t many people here willing to come to his defence, so perhaps you’ve got the impression I’m a huge fan or that Lyon is blameless. I’m just less passionately opposed to him than most.

For what it’s worth, I do think his tactical tendencies are a little defensive, but I’ve never thought that in his tenure we have had an above average forward line for talent (I think that has changed now). In terms of personality, he’s a little too matter-of-fact for my tastes, especially when we lose (and double especially when we lose to West Coast).

As for how much control over the club he has, I find it hard to reconcile his mantra about the cobblers with the notion that he’s controlling every aspect of the football club. I also find it hard to reconcile what people perceive as a difficult personality with how warmly former players talk about him. He seems to me to genuinely care for his players, and they seem to value that.

I’m looking forward to seeing what he does with an actual forward line next season, and a defence that has had a year together. Our midfield is a concern, but there’s enough quality if our key midfields are fit.
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Jezza Lyon Tells Ryan 5 years 5 months ago #58

Jezza
Morgan has got a speculative view on things. I on the other hand is anything but speculative. People will continue to bag Roly even if he wins us a premiership.
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freo00 Lyon Tells Ryan 5 years 5 months ago #59

freo00
A have a view that he won't win a GF .
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Corporal Agarn Lyon Tells Ryan 5 years 5 months ago #60

Corporal Agarn
I have a dream that we will win a GF in my life time.
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shane Lyon Tells Ryan 5 years 5 months ago #61

shane
How is Lyon rated very highly but Beverage is learning about a fall from grace?
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Raglan Matt Lyon Tells Ryan 5 years 5 months ago #62

Raglan Matt
Morgan, Lyons' mantra about the cobblers is a load of cobblers. It is white noise to deflect the criticism of his coaching. On that subject, you have come up with a list of about 4 or 5 on D/L that defend his methods and coaching. Extrapolate that ratio out to the wider fan base, and maybe you will accept that not many people who support Freo, support his coaching.
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teasea Lyon Tells Ryan 5 years 5 months ago #63

teasea
CA I have that dream too and whilst doing my family tree recently discovered my grandmother lived til 103 so my dream may yet come true and I'll see that premiership. Fingers crossed.
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Corporal Agarn Lyon Tells Ryan 5 years 5 months ago #64

Corporal Agarn
A fall from grace where they won a premiership and have still finished above us in the following two seasons.
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freo00 Lyon Tells Ryan 5 years 5 months ago #65

freo00
A have a view that Lyon will never win a GF .
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Jezza Lyon Tells Ryan 5 years 5 months ago #66

Jezza
Well CA, using your theory, we’ve finished above Brisbane in the last 3 years, and yet many seem to think that Brisbane are a much better side then Freo. The Dogs not playing finals since their premiership, I would’ve thought is a slap in the face. It matters not for the Roly bashers. There’s no end in sight it seems. I don’t think replacing the coach is going to solve the white noise.
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Rhufus Lyon Tells Ryan 5 years 5 months ago #67

Rhufus
Geeze
All this Roly bashing because he told a young defender he`d like a bit more of what he saw from him early in the season??
Really Biz?

There`s no indication Roly actually blamed Ryan for becoming more lock down or losing his run, there was an exit interview and it was suggested he was to focus on improving his rebound. For all we know Roly may have said we now have the cattle which will allow us to release you. ie no blame. Whichever way you look at it, this is a good thing from a defensive minded coach. Just what we have all been asking for. More attack and Roly to get with the program.

I`m going to reserve my critique of Lyon for when he actually stuffs stuff up.

For now though, full credit to Freo for their recruitment period and kudos for Ross on the Ryan exit interview, I agree completely.
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rogerrocks Lyon Tells Ryan 5 years 5 months ago #68

rogerrocks
I somewhat agree with Yeti when he says about Morgan, "Any time Roly gets criticised on here, you are generally among the first to claim it's not down to him but the responsibility lies elsewhere."

But this is somewhat jaundiced, as Morgan is happy to admit that Roly is not perfect. But I suspect that Morgan is going to have to keep going in his current role, as there are so many people here who, though they might admit for a second or two that Roly is not the devil incarnate and source of all plagues and pestilences showered on the Freo faithful, will in the twinkling of an eye find the scales falling from their eyes revealing Roly as Beelzebub once more.

Much of the anti-Roly sentiment is just the flipside of Jezza's "Ra Ra everything is going great!" schtick.
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KingKepler Lyon Tells Ryan 5 years 5 months ago #69

KingKepler
Rather than having and voicing an opinion another position to take is to sit on the fence.

This is an interesting way of writing paragraphs about not much at all and confusing those that do have an opinion. Politicians and lawyers do quite a bit of this and so does Morgan.

There may be snippets of putting across a preferential point of view but on the whole it is always backed up with some kind of disclaimer.

Morgan is like ‘neutral’ Switzerland when it comes to talking about footy.
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Corporal Agarn Lyon Tells Ryan 5 years 5 months ago #70

Corporal Agarn
Well since Beveridge has been coaching he has a 48-40 win/loss ratio. In the same time Roly has a 37/51 record.

Using your theory Jezza, one of the greatest coaches ever should surely have done better than he has. As much as you think people don't appreciate him, I'm actually sick of hearing how great he supposedly is when he hasn't actually achieved much.

He did lead us to a number of unwanted records like the biggest fall from minor premiers in VFL/AFL history and the most amount of 50 pt or higher losses in a season, or the most consecutive goals kicked in succession against.

If things turn around great because it's about bloody time. Just stop shoving down our throats that he's the frickin' messiah of coaches when his record shows he isn't.
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