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TOPIC: Lyon Tells Ryan

Corporal Agarn Lyon Tells Ryan 5 years 5 months ago #1

Corporal Agarn
www.afl.com.au/news/2018-11-08/lyon-chal...-to-take-the-game-on

FREMANTLE coach Ross Lyon has challenged emerging half-back Luke Ryan to become more damaging with his run from defence as the Dockers attempt to sharpen up their ball movement.
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shane Lyon Tells Ryan 5 years 5 months ago #2

shane
Master coach.

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The_Yeti Lyon Tells Ryan 5 years 5 months ago #3

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There's a Simpsons lesson for everything in life
Egurls Suck!
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Bizkit Lyon Tells Ryan 5 years 5 months ago #4

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Watching the games, I'm pretty sure it was the reverse. Ryan was playing a very attacking game early in his career, running off his man to grab the footy in the air or support his teammates.

Half way through this year he very clearly received the words to go back and defend more rather than attack and he saw much less of the footy. It certainly looked as though he was instructed to play more defensively so hearing RL has told him to be more attacking seems like a bit of a cop out.
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Blue1red1 Lyon Tells Ryan 5 years 5 months ago #5

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So.... if he is to be more attacking as a defender, does that mean he will be coming off half forward and running back to the 50?
Have I got that part of Rosses game plan right??
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Morgan Lyon Tells Ryan 5 years 5 months ago #6

Morgan
I’m always a little taken aback by how much people will ignore players’ own words when searching for a way to ascribe failing to Lyon’s instructions. Ryan’s actual words: “I’ve never really run off half-back before, and Lyon wanted me to work on it” somehow turns into “I used to run off half back, but then Lyon told me to stop it, but then he told me the opposite of that, so I guess I’ll work on that, whatever it is.”

I don’t expect current players to slag off their coach to the media, but you don’t have a long coaching career – and have almost all your ex-players speak highly of you - by consistently sending mixed messages and then throwing players under the bus. Even the players who aren’t fans of Lyon usually point out he is clear in his expectations. “Hard but fair” is how Ryan himself describes Lyon.

Our defence, and particularly our rebound from defence, was humming until about a third of the way through last season. We started to lose a bit more in the midfield at that time, and lost a few targets coming out of defence (we really missed the run of B Hill and Tabs marking presence deep at that time) and I thought the defence looked a little lost and hesitant. Towards the end of the season we looked a little better.

Ryan is a great intercept mark and seems to have a good footy brain, but when you are under the pump in defence it’s easy for players to go into their shell. It used to happen with Ibbo from time-to-time. When we were clicking, he’d move the ball quickly and confidently. When we weren’t he was a liability with ball in hand.

It’s a good sign Lyon is instructing his players to be more attacking. Personally, I’d just tell the backmen to get the ball to Wilson or S Hill (if fit), but I suppose if they aren’t around you could do worse than Ryan taking the game on. I’m hoping Logue can do the same.

I reckon last year you could be forgiven for not having confidence an option would present itself, but if in 2019 you have outlet options like B Hill and Langdon running through the middle, Fyfe dominating smaller midfielders in the air, and Hogan/Tabs/Lobb presenting options up the ground, there is no excuse not to take the game on as a backman.
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jimb2 Lyon Tells Ryan 5 years 5 months ago #7

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Good to see the failed game plan meme applied creatively to each and every news dribble.
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shane Lyon Tells Ryan 5 years 5 months ago #8

shane
I’m always a little taken aback by how many paragraphs Morgan can devote to a throw away Simpsons reference.
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Morgan Lyon Tells Ryan 5 years 5 months ago #9

Morgan
From Biz: "Half way through this year he very clearly received the words to go back and defend more rather than attack..."

I know it's your site Shane, but not everything is about you, and only most of it is about the SImpson.
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Bizkit Lyon Tells Ryan 5 years 5 months ago #10

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You don't think players are drilled in how to speak to the media and provide club narratives Morgan? I would imagine most players are going to tow the party line and this seems like more of the same to me, talking up the club and how they can improve as a team and individuals.

What goes on behind closed doors is speculation but in terms of what we can see on the footy field, Ryan definitely played two different halves of the season. I watched eagerly as he was one of the Stars of my DuFFLe side racking up marks at will. I would often find myself watching him and where he'd move away from the play to set himself up for another touch and he was fantastic with his ability to read the play and know where to be.

He averaged 20 touches and 8 marks per game to Rd 13 of the season in what were impressive numbers for a midfielder let alone a half back. He then found himself often following a player and kept away from the play, forced into shut down roles on dangerous players and with much less opportunity to run off (or even take kick ins). The rest of the season he averaged 15 touches and 4 marks as a result.

Now if you're asking the player from the first half of the season to be more attacking, I'd be calling you crazy. His foot skills and long kicking are fantastic weapons he used brilliantly early but were not utilised in the second half of the year. It seems a cop out from RL to turn around and call the player out for a more restrictive role.
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Suker Lyon Tells Ryan 5 years 5 months ago #11

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Luke Ryan is indeed a great weapon...long kick, quick, good hands and a real aggressive approach. He certainly didn't replicate earl;y season form in the latter stages...but gee our mids were not breaking even or exerting midfield pressure so the need for the defenders to continually be "wary" would have stifled them all to some extent.
What riled me was the continual presence of a spare man back. This was principally in place because our mids were getting smashed on the rebound...I would think. I can understand the need to do something (anything) when you are getting smashed, BUT, to start games with a spare man back is simply too much like a surrender.
And what i am getting at is that I noticed Ryan as a spare man back quite a few times. To me, having this quick, aggressive, big kicking guy floating around waiting for the out ball or trying to read the play is just a waste. He is one of those guys that needs to be on a player so he can figure him out then run off him as he does so brilliantly. He is wasted as a spare man back.
So, let's back our young guys, start with attack in mind, and manic pressure on the ball at all times...and we will see some positive change.
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Morgan Lyon Tells Ryan 5 years 5 months ago #12

Morgan
It's just never obvious to me that just because a player’s form tapers off, it was caused by Freo’s head coach telling him to stop playing the way that made him successful in the first place. It would seem counterintuitive for a coach to sabotage himself like that. I think there are usually better explanations, like in this case the midfield stopped exerting pressure, other teams put more work into Ryan because he was playing well, or the player’s form dipped for some reason (fitness, confidence etc).
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pollyanna Lyon Tells Ryan 5 years 5 months ago #13

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Biz watches the form of his DuFFLe players closer than Trump pays attention to his Twitter account. Fact.
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Jonno Lyon Tells Ryan 5 years 5 months ago #14

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I'm pretty sure that Ryan was carrying an injury in the latter part of the season.
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