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TOPIC: Difficult Dockers

hypen Difficult Dockers 5 years 6 months ago #1

hypen
m.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-12/trade-wrap-...ckers-hold-things-up

The last sentence in this article is really pertinent. Forget whether you want Hogan or not. It's that Trump like veneer of having to appear that you are constantly winning that frustrates.

The asking price for Hogan was fair and reasonable. The paying price for Neale was fair and reasonable.

It's churlish. Lyon says his club has a growth mindset. It's the opposite. We have a fixed mindset.
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jcalb Difficult Dockers 5 years 6 months ago #2

jcalb
It’s the only time of the year where Freo are part of the AFL narrative. Once it’s over the club just falls back to irrelevance and we long suffering supporters start eating our own.
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Sultan Difficult Dockers 5 years 6 months ago #3

Sultan
How do you know you have enough information to make that call Hyphen? It could very well be astute decision making. Bell is many things but he isn’t an idiot. He will be making the best decision he can with the information he has available to him, at least some of which none of us is privy to. I’m backing him over ill-informed journos and keyboard warriors
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hypen Difficult Dockers 5 years 6 months ago #4

hypen
Know what, Sultan? The offers for the two players have been tabled. The consensus from the entire industry is they are fair and reasonable. But we gotta have that gotcha moment as we did on the Weller trade.


It's a little silly.
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Flag_2005 Difficult Dockers 5 years 6 months ago #5

Flag_2005
Lachie is worth more than pick 5 every day of the week. I say kudos to Bell and Rosich for holding firm. The AFL media would not write the same story if it was Richmond or Collingwood in Freo’s position.
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Joe Nobody Difficult Dockers 5 years 6 months ago #6

Joe Nobody
The footy world laughed at GC for paying overs for Weller, but now want Freo to do the same for Hogan.
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pollyanna Difficult Dockers 5 years 6 months ago #7

pollyanna
Why do people assume that there's more to something beyond what it is? They say the same about RoLy and the spin machine feeds on that hope that there's all this stuff which people just don't know about. We watch a belting and all we can hope is that something is happening that we don't know anything about. As if that would explain it - yeah, Hogan is a gimpy git, who would want him.

It's just so stupid - I like Bell and hope that he can actually do what he is there to do. But the evidence ain't stacking up in his favour at the moment and we look like fools trying to be tough in a game we've failed miserably at for years.
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hypen Difficult Dockers 5 years 6 months ago #8

hypen
You know who else keeps saying the world is laughing at us?
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pollyanna Difficult Dockers 5 years 6 months ago #9

pollyanna
Even though I see what is in front of me, I know that Bell will explain everything fully to all of us - or Steve, he's an honest fella that would never try to hoodwink the seat renters of his own club.
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Morgan Difficult Dockers 5 years 6 months ago #10

Morgan
So, let’s take the article at face value, and Freo takes what is purported as ‘fair’ from both parties. It takes pick 5 (only) from Brisbane and gives Melbourne pick 6 and it’s second round pick for Hogan.

Should Freo be happy to pay a second round pick to ‘upgrade’ from Neale to Hogan? Maybe, maybe not.

Even if you say yes, we don’t have a second round pick. Is Melbourne ok with next year’s second? It’s unclear. The mechanics might not work. It depends on what Melbourne wants it for.

I’m then not sure whether Lobb comes off the table. We’d need to trade pick 5 or 6 to another club for a combination of picks better fitting Lobb’s worth (or to secure that second rounder Melbourne wants). Didn’t we just do something that looks a lot like this?

You could re-write the whole article to say Brisbane’s reluctance to add a second round pick to the Neale deal is stopping Freo from doing a deal with Melbourne. Or how Melbourne’s insistence on a second round pick is holding it up. Or how Gold Coast’s insistence on a second round pick for May is holding it up.

Instead, because Freo tried to lure Travis Cloke a decade ago, for some reason Freo should have done the deal with three days to go in the trade period based on everyone’s first real offer.

Freo made themselves a target by sending Bell an Rosich. I get why the article was written. Perhaps Bell is trying too hard to put his stamp on things. I don’t know.

What I don’t get is why people on here are lining up to bag him five days out from the end of his first trade period. If at the end of the period it’s obvious he stuffed it then fling a few arrows. But I’d probably wait for his side of the story and not just Cleary and Bowen who haven’t been in the room.
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Raglan Matt Difficult Dockers 5 years 6 months ago #11

Raglan Matt
Neale is worth at least what Hogan is worth, so all that is holding the deals up is Brisbanes refusal to pay what Neale is worth.
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Hamihill Difficult Dockers 5 years 6 months ago #12

Hamihill
But difficult Brisbane doesn’t make a good rhyme or headline
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Noddy Difficult Dockers 5 years 6 months ago #13

Noddy
The Dees don’t need Hogan because McDonald is a better forward than him with less issues. Add any of the associated due diligence issues that Belly alludes to and that’s why they want Hogan out and some over picks to nab someone they want.....May.

The supposed Fremantle Soufs/Sharks supporter negativity toward Fremantle is sometimes baffling.

We’re the easy media target for this week because we’re not doing what the Melbourne based numpties and WC Seven media want us to do.....pick up a player who we need but they will fail for some reason.

I’m sure someone with Belly’s resilience won’t be side tracked by white noise.
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wingman Difficult Dockers 5 years 6 months ago #14

wingman
I'm surprised next years first rounder isn't coming into conversations. Probably be a top 6 selection?
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