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timmeh Clarkson's Influence 5 years 6 months ago #29

timmeh
well based on this theory, even Carlton are closer to a premiership than us..
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Jason Clarkson's Influence 5 years 6 months ago #30

Jason
I understand the focus on Clarkson, but he learnt under Roos - just like Longmire & Lyon.

What Hawthorn possesses is a world-class ‘system’. Be that coaching structures, player development & management, talent identification & drafting strategy.

The Hawks have been a coaching factory the past decade. They have also been arguably the best at getting value from pretty ordinary draft picks and attracting quality players from other clubs.

West Coast can probably claim a similar ‘system’ has worked well for them over their journey. I heard Malthouse this week discussing the Eagles and he said they simply don’t tolerate mediocrity. If they miss finals, there’s a whole-of-club review and changes made.

Sadly for us, we were never intended to be successful - just to limit the success of the other WA team. I don’t think the powers that be in the AFL who concocted this debacle can say they achieved that stated goal.

Apart from Hawthorn (5), no side has won as many flags (4) in the AFL-era and no-one has played in as many GF’s (7) (Geebung has played in 7, too).

Lots of factors come into play but the reality is, our recruiting between the years 2010-16 was ordinary at best. The only reason I don’t take it back further is Fyfe was selected in 2009.

Of our top draft picks through those years, only Sheridan & Tucker have played more than 40 games. Pitt & Simpson did nothing and Weller left. Apeness has played 8 games in 5 years.

I think our drafting the past 2 years has been solid but the damage had already been done. ‘Sustained success’ requires constantly injecting new talent into teams - preferably after several seasons building up their bodies and skill-sets at lower levels. At this, Hawthorn are almost without peer.

Now that we are going to get a WA-based List Manager, I hope to see more local lads drafted and/or rookied. Far easier to retain local talent than convince Eastern-staters to stay put.

However, we are still a long way behind the true powerhouses of the competition and it’s just our rotten luck to have arguably the most successful team of the AFL era (from either inside or outside Victoria) lauding it over us from up the road.
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Morgan Clarkson's Influence 5 years 6 months ago #31

Morgan
I don't doubt Clarkson is a good coach, but at some point it becomes self-purpetuating. A Hawthorn assistant coaching job is a plum gig, so Hawthorn gets the pick the ex-players and young assistants most likely to become great coaches. Those new coaches come with fresh ideas which improves Hawthorn's on-field performance, which in turn makes Clarkson look even better. When a head coaching job comes up, having worked for Hawthorn and Clarkson looks good on a CV, so they are more likely to get a head coaching job. The cycle repeats a few times.

But even though it is self-perpetuating for a while, talent on the field isn't. Hawthorn will slide into mediocrity over the next few years, and the next batch of assistant coaches might think about Collingwood or Richmond instead. At some point Kennett's ego will intervene, and Clarkson will be coaching at another club. It will be interesting to see how he goes where he doesn't inherit a team with Buddy, Rioli, Roughy, Hodge and Mitchell in it.

As for Freo, I'm not sure where we are picking on the list of assistant coaches, but it's close to last on the list. Replace Lyon with a league-average coach, and I'm not sure that changes much. Would ex-players move to Perth to coach under, I don't know, Brad Scott? I don't think it changes the dynamic much. We are still the least successful club at the arse-end of the football world.
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shane Clarkson's Influence 5 years 6 months ago #32

shane
It's just football. There are more than 3 people in the universe who can be a good assistant.
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Morgan Clarkson's Influence 5 years 6 months ago #33

Morgan
Totally, just like there are more than 6 players in the upcoming draft that could be good at football. But it helps a lot when you pick first.

Hawthorn has picked first for assistant coaches for the better part of a decade. You don't think that is an advantage?
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shane Clarkson's Influence 5 years 6 months ago #34

shane
The idea that the deck is stacked might help you sleep better but we grabbed two blokes with no experience but a Hawthorn letterhead. It doesn't matter when you choose if you don't take the time to attempt to find the best person for the job.
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Corporal Agarn Clarkson's Influence 5 years 6 months ago #35

Corporal Agarn
" I heard Malthouse this week discussing the Eagles and he said they simply don’t tolerate mediocrity. If they miss finals, there’s a whole-of-club review and changes made"

Now compare that to us. Everybody in the football world knows we're crap, the media are onto us and we the supporters have had a gut-full.

Yet what do we get from our club. A CEO who has also become our recruiting officer telling us that everything is on track. The club president telling us not to expect much next year either and that we don't expect to make the finals.
A coach telling us that eight wins this year was about what he expected.

No wonder we're considered a joke by a lot of people. We are run by people who are happy to accept mediocrity.
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The_Yeti Clarkson's Influence 5 years 6 months ago #36

The_Yeti
Do we still spotto on here?
Egurls Suck!
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Corporal Agarn Clarkson's Influence 5 years 6 months ago #37

Corporal Agarn
Anthony Rock is the only ass coach in our entire list that has had coaching experience at an AFL club.
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Morgan Clarkson's Influence 5 years 6 months ago #38

Morgan
Our old president is gone. We did just overhaul the football department and changed our footy boss and list manager. We launched a review of our sports science department. We didn’t sack the coach - he had too many years on his contract - but we did get rid of the bloke who gave him that contract.

Lyon will be gone next year if we don’t improve.

I’d say that’s a fair old clean out in a couple of years.

Personally, the CEO is probably the first guy I would have turfed, but that’s just me.
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hypen Clarkson's Influence 5 years 6 months ago #39

hypen
You don't believe Bond gave Lyon five years, Morgan.
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Raglan Matt Clarkson's Influence 5 years 6 months ago #40

Raglan Matt
Next year is too late for Lyon to go. To those who say we cannot afford to sack him, I say we cannot afford not to sack him.
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Morgan Clarkson's Influence 5 years 6 months ago #41

Morgan
Not on his own Hypen.
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Corporal Agarn Clarkson's Influence 5 years 6 months ago #42

Corporal Agarn
Okay what about our ass coaches? Are they on long term contracts as well? If not why haven't they been replaced with some others with AFL experience or someone who is really a coach in waiting? Because If and when Roly goes none of them could surely be considered for the job.
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