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Jason The Worst Year Ever 5 years 6 months ago #71

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Perhaps there’s a message from 2007 we should look at from a Freo perspective.

At the end of that year, WC we’re looking at losing their best player (& Premiership captain). He went but WC extracted a first round pick (Masten) and a promising KPP youngster in Josh Kennedy. Both those guys are now Premiership players.

Having such a dominant key forward cannot be understated.

Maybe this is our ‘2007’ moment with LN. Should we receive Hogan as part of the trade then I reckon we have to take the punt. We’ve had ridiculously bad luck with injuries to key players so maybe it’s time for that worm to turn - so too speak.

I think we can all agree our current direction is not good enough.

I hope with the appointment of Bell, who has a history of making a success from pretty much everything he attempts, and some bold trading decisions - we can start to build a team and a ‘system’ that will be successful.

For without hope - we are Carlton. Or worse, Gold Coast.
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The_Yeti The Worst Year Ever 5 years 6 months ago #72

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I don't know why people keep bringing up our humble beginnings as a reason for continual failure but its a load of codswallop. We got set up 24 years ago. The conditions that we had to endure are long gone. Every last bit of it.

What we have now is entirely of our own making.

We are run, top to bottom by people who are well past their capabilities and it shows. Harris was shown to be entirely incompetent as a club president. It was a job that he understood poorly and performed even worse. Alcock and Rosich are not one whit better.

Sustained success doesn't come from being able to pinch a coach from under the eyes of another club. It doesn't come from getting two blokes from Hawthorn because Hawthorn are good. It comes from people who understand the caper and based on that understanding plan and build each step until they get results.

The deficiencies at Freo are not new. They are obvious. Yet we persist in doing what we did the year before when it didn't work and then we do it again. It still doesn't work so the message is hang tough, be patient, things will change. Change doesn't come in the absence of change and we've changed very little. We have yet to replace the List Manager but we kept the change to minimum when we appointed the Football Manager. The guy who sets the pace is unchanged and unchallenged as are all his assistants who do not seem to contribute a great deal. Yet we persist with doing very little differently.

We are the masters of our own destiny. Saying we can't attract on field talent and of field talent because we are low on the totem pole or too nfar from the MCG is a copout and it's bull. The slime are in the same city, just as far from the MCG as we are, witht he same travel burden, yet they make things happen and they are successful. They don't sit around complaining about how its unfair they aren't a Victorian club.

When things don't work, they change. Until we respond in a similar fashion, we have zero grounds for complaint. Zero.

No I don't want to be an entitled flog like their supporters but then again I don't need to be to see that they go about things differently to us. They respond to changes in the game. They respond to situations and they don't sit back and do nothing but complain how its all so unfair.

I'll say it again. You do not achieve change without change. Doing the same things each year will not provide that magical different result. The club needs to accept its responsibilities and respond accordingly.
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Raglan Matt The Worst Year Ever 5 years 6 months ago #73

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Chuck your hat in the ring, Yeti, for CEO, president, list manager or coach. You get my vote, you talk more sense than all 4 of the clowns filling those positions at the moment. Chuck your hat in for all 4 if it comes to that. Get the colour back in the guernsey, the game style and the club. Rise above the crap we have had to endure and become an irresistible force.
Don't worry about the players, all they need is a bit of skills training each training session and we are away. Whether we lose LN or not, whether we get Lobb & Hogan or not, we have got the players to win a flag now. Get us the off-field cattle to do the job.
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goodie The Worst Year Ever 5 years 6 months ago #74

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This would all be a bit easier to swallow if I could see a way forward for the club on the field. But I have got nothing. Fremantle are going to be down the bottom for years with the current list. There are failings everywhere at the club but the ability to identify talent hides a multitude of sins. 2019 is not going to be pretty
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rogerrocks The Worst Year Ever 5 years 6 months ago #75

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Yeti, how do you know Rosich is not up to the job? I'm genuinely interested, because I know very little about what is involved running a club. I know he's been a party to decisions I didn't like, but what is the evidence that he isn't competent?
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frankmac The Worst Year Ever 5 years 6 months ago #76

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you have obviously never listened to Bell on the radio Jason.
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Drubbing The Worst Year Ever 5 years 6 months ago #77

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Rosich is part of the reason we're in this mess. It starts with hiring a coach who is inflexible, then giving him an extension based on 'stability', and paying him so much you can't terminate the contract.

That's incompetent.
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The_Yeti The Worst Year Ever 5 years 6 months ago #78

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rogerrocks,

that is based on what i have observed over an extended period of time.

i. Results have been poor. (Thats right out of Captain Obvious)
ii. Little or no response to those poor results
iii. Little or no change in off field personnel
iv. little or no change in on field processes (this is important)
v. Poor response to serious off field issue.

i. If I need to explain that then you've been on the Moon for the last few years
ii. Poor results like we have been producing won't change unless the club does something to change them. What we've done is not respond to the way the game has been changed by the AFL but we've turned over the list to the maximum possible extent every year and then justified our poor results by pointing to the list changes. The list changes do not appear to show any coherent strategy ie what kinds of players are we targetting, what will they be expected to provide over the ones we are replacing and by that I'm asking what we will be doing differently on the field that requires a different player.
iii. The Head Coach and Ass Coaches have not changed in several years. This means that either they are producing acceptable results or somebody isn't responding to poor performances. It's clearly not the first option.
iv. We are playing the same way we've played since Roly took over. Its a congested style of play when the game has changed to promote uncongested play. Again, why has there been no response to the change in the game.
v. Without getting into too much detail, the situation that occurred and was played out very publicly should have resulted in the more than hiding behind an NDA to avoid dealing with an issue. In any other workplace, the offending party would probably have been moved on. The response was to double down and it was made clear that no thought had been taken to do anything but retain the incumbent. This can only mean that the poor results have not impacted on the standing of those in the relevant positions at the club. If they had, then that issue would have given the club an easy out if the results were not acceptable.

Not all of those issues specifically related to Rosich but as the person in the most senior management position, he has to take oversight over those issues and yet there has been nothing other than stick with us, things will get better.

We can go back to the manner the club's identity was basically removed. Some may like the changes, others clearly didn't, yet it can't be argued that the way it was done was anything but poor. The members and supporters were openly treated with contempt and Rosich was fully complicit.

I've stated before that running a club is different to running a corporation. You need to take the members and supporters along with you and not just worry about pleasing the shareholder. Otherwise the value of the asset is decayed. Rosich has done exactly the opposite and members are now talking about no longer renewing their memberships. Thats all down to poor management.

I went through a similar process as a member of East Fremantle. It changed from Old Easts to the Sharks. It wasn't a popular move among the members but the club kept the members involved as part of the process. It provided leadership and brought the members along with the club. the changes were adopted with little rancour and people didn't walk away disgruntled. Thats the difference between doing things professionally at a club level and acting like arrogant p****.

Thats as brief as I can be while trying to answer your question
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rogerrocks The Worst Year Ever 5 years 6 months ago #79

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From the AFL web site, about West Coast:

"There wasn't quite the sense of club and unity that there is today and their early premierships were celebrated in the manner befitting a large corporation recording a nice profit. What is remarkable about the Eagles today is how many key staffers have been with the club for such a considerable period.

Chief executive Trevor Nisbett is just completing his 20th season in that position, having been head of football for 10 years before that. He pointed out afterwards that his executive assistant, Anna Durante, has been with the club for even longer.

Chief operating officer Richard Godfrey has been with the club for just as long, while key staffers such as Tim Gepp, Gary Stocks and Dean Peters have also been at the club for close to 20 years.

"I think the biggest thing you can do from a management point of view is appoint good people in the right roles and have them do their jobs. It sounds like a cliché, but there's no secret to that," Nisbett said.

"Good organisations make sure you do that, and you plan for it."

One rival club chief executive confided to this column on Saturday evening that when his own club was experiencing some tough times not too long ago and was contemplating a raft of changes, it was Nisbett who provided some wise counsel and a sense of perspective."
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Gumnut The Worst Year Ever 5 years 6 months ago #80

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Goodie, your rationale is part of the problem. The current list is the best thing this club's got going for it. With the amount of Elite and A graders we should be getting better results but are being restricted by the limitations of the coaching staff.
Established players Fyfe, Mundy, Neale, Sandilands, Walters, 2 Hills are in the elite class whilst Blakely, Wilson, Alex Pearce, Ryan and Hamling could be classed as A graders. Then their are the young guns that other clubs want on their lists in Taberner, Brayshaw, Cerra, Cox and Darcy and there is no way we should be in our current position yet Ross tells us it's all hunky dory. That's 17 players I've listed who would be pretty close to or possibly better than the Weagles best 17. I haven't even mentioned the other young talent on our list with limited exposure, Tucker, Banfield, Dixon, Crowden, Giro, Switkowski and North let alone Johnno who is now gone. The list is not the problem and I'd like to see them allowed to play with the freedom that Brisbane is by Fagan. A lot of people may be surprised by how good these guys could be with a coach who has a more positive mindset than Ross.
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goodie The Worst Year Ever 5 years 6 months ago #81

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I couldn’t disagree more. I think you massively overrate the talent on our list, and in particular the potential of our young players.
It is very hard to tell from a distance who is doing their job at Fremantle and who isn’t. You have to be at the coal face to know that. List management is a different matter, because you see the end result of that each week when they run out and play. It’s not a good footy team. The best coaches in the world couldn’t turn this team into a premiership contender without a large influx of talent. For this reason, for me, the single best thing that has happened in this off season is that Brad Lloyd has moved on. I am sure there have been extenuating circumstances that have worked against Lloyd at times, but Fremantle’s recruitment is the main reason that I can see as to why we are in this mess. And you know what’s even scarier? Carlton have looked at our list and thought to themselves ‘let’s hire the man that put that together’.
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teasea The Worst Year Ever 5 years 6 months ago #82

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Before I face everyone tomorrow can someone on DL recall Nicnat saying he couldn't support Freo in 2013? Someone phoned radio and made that statement but that was after all the negative calls on Fyfe's comments about supporting Collingwood. Also my neighbour has had a go so I know that will come up and would like a better rejoinder than 'at least he had the guts to tell the truth'!
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Jason The Worst Year Ever 5 years 6 months ago #83

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Agree completely goodie.

We do not have a great list now - nor did we when Lyon got us into the 2013 GF - despite the rose-coloured view of some that Harvey built a list Lyon benefitted from. We have fluked, I reckon, a couple of selections like Pav & Fyfe but by and large, our player recruitment has been very ordinary throughout our history.

If we really want to get bold we need to pinch the recruitment team from the Hawks or, dare I say it, WC. Those guys know how to build a list for sustained success.

We just seem to throw darts blindfolded and hope to hit the bullseye - occasionally we do but mostly they just bounce off the wall and hit some poor bugger walking by in the calf/knee/foot.
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Quasimodo The Worst Year Ever 5 years 6 months ago #84

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I hated yesterday. I hate West Coast.

As for our predicament. We made the right decision in 2011 in appointing Lyon we were great from 2013 -2015 except the Hawks were better. The mistake was resigning Ross for 5 more years in 2015, in hindsight the club should have said 3. The wheels fell off and he doesn't know how to do up the nuts.

Next season I think we will do no better than this year regardless of player changes, Ross can't change but the game has we are flogging a dead horse. He will be sacked during next season and then we will get a new coach. Don't be surprised if Bell isn't interim coach around the bye round.
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