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TOPIC: Membership dilemma?

The_Yeti Membership dilemma? 5 years 7 months ago #15

The_Yeti
Well I suggest you do what I do.

My family decided to stop paying for memberships because we were unhappy with what the administration were doing. The final straw came about when Freo kept pleading the players guilty when other players were were fighting similar things and being cleared. I actually contacted the club to raise that and was told that nobody cared what members thought.

Fair enough then. If they weren't interested then nobody could complain about me having the same attitude.

When the renewal came in and they jacked up the prices 25% we said no.

Its worked out fine for me. This year I've been mostly house bound so couldn't get to many games anyway. Now I can go to games when I'm in town and it doesn't cost me when I'm away. I'll go down and support the players and I still couldn't give a rats about the admin. I'm guessing that will change when we go back to having an admin that knows what 'club' means.

I'm glad Bond has gone. Hopefully the plead guilty at every opportunity policy has gone with him.

If people want to call me a poor supporter for not swallowing all the crap the admin dishes out, they can do that. It won't make it any truer but clearly some people will accept anything. I'm too old to give up having standards now, so don't expect that to change anytime soon.
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Noddy Membership dilemma? 5 years 7 months ago #16

Noddy
Nobody cares what members think........must have got you on a really bad day.
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pollyanna Membership dilemma? 5 years 7 months ago #17

pollyanna
They only care about the one and only voting member and I think we should vote the knobber out of office. The WAFC should be disbanded.
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Drubbing Membership dilemma? 5 years 7 months ago #18

Drubbing
Admin been having a 'bad day' since I met Rosich in 2010 and he said much the same thing about long term members.

He said they could disregard what they thought, because they won't go anywhere anyway.

Some of us did.
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hypen Membership dilemma? 5 years 7 months ago #19

hypen
I dropped them when they debited my account for the 2015 upcoming season without my permission. Didn't even say sorry. Said you've been a member for almost 20 years and we thought .............

I'll come back when Rosich and Lyon go.
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Jezza Membership dilemma? 5 years 7 months ago #20

Jezza
Watching footy in this state is expensive. Even the days of Subiaco Oval. If you want cheap seats go to Melbourne. Hack it’s even cheaper to be members of Melbourne clubs. Whether our admin suck or not, you pay through the nose. Clearly if our team was performing better paying wouldn’t hurt so much. We all make choices some are regrettable others good some bad. But if you’re hoping that a change of management will lead to cheaper memberships, you’ll be waiting awhile. And even then it’s cheaper to pay for a walk up ticket. Though these days it’s probably just cheaper to stay at home.
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Drubbing Membership dilemma? 5 years 7 months ago #21

Drubbing
You're always reliable to jump in and be the chief apologist for the admin. They could have looked after members in the move to the new stadium, instead they fleeced most people. I was offered crap seats at the top end of the price range, as I had gold premium at Subi. Morgan's experience of high priced crap seats with half a view that needed changing, is another a good example.

They botched it all year. Cheaper prices would have make that more palatable. But they clearly do not care about the people that enable them to have a job in the first place.

Sure, they need to make ends meet, but getting bigger numbers than Subi in the first year with a sparkly new stadium was a dead set given. More members might have stayed on if the prices were better. As it is, they're barely holding on to the same numbers as last year - after they've added in the dodgy 3-5 games packages as memberships.
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Morgan Membership dilemma? 5 years 7 months ago #22

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TRM, a membership is pretty expensive, so I wouldn't begrudge anyone giving up their membership for that reason. Sub's capacity created artificial demand for memberships, and being able to walk up and get a seat has changed the value proposition of the membership. I think Freo will have a difficult time reckoning with that in lean times on the field once the novelty of the new stadium wears off.

I also understand, and often share, the frustration with the club, and the desire to avoid tacitly supporting the admin by stumping up for a membership. Sometimes the only way to make your voice heard these days is with your wallet.

Where I land is that loyalty to the club is important to me as a person. It's more important to me than sending a message. The bit on the membership card that tells you how long you have been a member has value to me. There's a good chance that loyalty is misplaced and I'm just a sucker, and I don't claim it's rational, but it is what it is. I make fun of members of certain other clubs for being fair-weather fans. Those that jump off always have their reasons, I'm sure some of them are good. Can you criticise a Carlton member for not renewing their membership? Probably not. But I do anyway. It would be hypocritical for me to not renew my membership in lean times.

But it's not just that - I genuinely love going to the footy. As many would have seen from the Morgan Reviews thread, to me there's nothing better than meeting family and friends at the pub before the game (there's usually three generations in attendance), catching up over a few pints and a meal, walking to the ground together and sitting in the stands and hoping that the lads in purple will turn it on. There's usually a twilight game for the first home game in the season where you can sneak to the beach in the morning and then the footy in the afternoon. It's close to my favourite day of the year.

Can you do all of that without a membership? Sure. But it's different. I sit with a group of about 10. Without the membership, we'd need to figure out who was going and get seats together. I don't know, something about having the membership means you (almost) always turn up. It's ritualistic. Our group has waxed and waned over the years but of for the better part of two decades it has been one of the few constants in my life. My son will soon be old enough to take to games. Maybe he won't even like footy, but close to the first thing I did after he was born was to get him a membership.

Sitting in the same seat also means you even get to know your neighbours in the stands. You get a shared history. You don't get that if you're in a different seat every game.

Anyway TRM, I don't think there's a right or wrong answer. The only thing I would say is I think watching at The Camfield is a bad idea. Deep down, you'll wish you were inside, and if you're like me you'll probably drink a bit faster at the pub which will eat into your purported savings. As a middle ground, perhaps you could consider a three-game membership, and then just attend some of the other games you're interested in. You still get to say you're a member, but you're not locked in for the whole season.
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pollyanna Membership dilemma? 5 years 7 months ago #23

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Thanks Morgan, an honest set of thoughts to ponder.

But those three game packages are artificially misrepresenting our membership numbers. They should only count as quarter members.

I miss the 'old crew' at the new stadium - mates that gave it away, some of them Harbour Masters. Other mates have either passed on or moved away. My new neighbours can't fill that void and I regularly get together with my old footy neighbours.

For over 10 years I sat a row in front and a few seats north of Roger Hayden's dad. I miss him the most - he would bellow out 'You're a ÷×#&ing wanker' to the umpies at least a half dozen times a game, everyone would laugh and no one asked him to modify his language. Some games he was fantastic, he would go equally hard on opposition players, boundary runners, goal and boundary umps. I don't know where he sits at the new place, but I can't hear him anymore. I hope he hasn't walked away from a membership, that would be disaster.

Once the teensge kid in front of me kept yelling out at Boomer Harvey telling him what a hack he was. Two blokes on my row called him out on it and threatened to call security on the kid. Old fella Hayden listened to it all and didn't say anything - later, when North were down in our end he stood up and bellowed out ' YOU'RE A #@%÷ING WANKER AND A #@%÷ING HACK, BOOMA'. He kept yelling it out for the rest of the game. We won that one.

It's different now, but I must admit that I'm rethinking my membership. I'm just not sure if the pain of the present can be overcome by all those great memories of the past. I fully understand those that have walked away, I'm not sure if I'm ready to do the same. Like Morgan, I just love live footy weekends at home.
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jcalb Membership dilemma? 5 years 7 months ago #24

jcalb
I gave away my membership this year after having it for 15 years. My whole group did. Best thing I ever did. It frees up the weekends, you don’t have to bend all of your plans around the footy and if you do want to go you can get tickets for $14 from the club. Now that finals are here, the real rip off of being a member rears it ugly head. All the members of the clubs remaining pay through the nose to get tickets and some long term members miss out completely. In other words we will take your money for the games during the home and away season, but when we make finals we will continue to rip you off by charging you a fortune. Oh by the way we can’t guarantee you a seat. PS Thanks for renting a seat all season though. What a con. Loyalty to any AFL club is misplaced. It’s a great business model, it doesn’t matter how badly they treat members, the tribalism of the sport keeps the punters coming back every year. It’s genius. This sucker just ain’t gonna take it anymore.
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Grub Membership dilemma? 5 years 7 months ago #25

Grub
I’m on the fence. I simply didn’t enjoy going to the footy this year. I had better seats at Subi (and stupidly didn’t take the opportunity to preview my seats at the new stadium), the people I had around me for over 15 years are now spread far and wide and the footy was carp.
All of the above makes me question forking out the cash for next year. It’s usually me and I rotate the spare seat with a couple of young relatives who I managed to get to support Freo early days. I almost feel guilty asking them to come with me. I’m not sure if they are supporting Freo or supporting me.
I’ve been through some pretty ordinary years at Subi but this seems much worse.
Maybe a change of seat might do it - we shall see. I don’t want to be the guy that jumps off when things are bad only to return at some point when things inevitably come good. It’s all or nothing for me. If I don’t renew then footy will lose two or three supporters - we will drift away.
Call me fickle if you will but it’s not going to take much to turn me off this game and whether it’s Freo, the ooftits, rule changes (maybe Fever Wildcats or Glory memberships are an option) or the cost something is going to give.
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Quasimodo Membership dilemma? 5 years 7 months ago #26

Quasimodo
I'm with Morgan and Pol. I'm a foundation member, along with my wife. We love going to the game, losing our longtime close neighbours this year has been hard but we are starting to bond with our new neighbours.

But for us it's being part of it, the club isn't Rosich or Lyon or even pav or Clive it is something spiritual it's part of me. Also for us it's a great shared bond, we go out before or after most games share a drink and a meal and remember why we love each other. To some extent the footy saves our marriage. It gives us common ground.

I just wish the admin understood what the club means better and as supporters we were true members with a say and ability to vote. The WAFC is so compromised on this. But it won't change.
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Mercury Membership dilemma? 5 years 7 months ago #27

Mercury
I'm a 22 year member and I am seriously considering not renewing. Firstly, going to the game isn't fun any more. Sure, we played embarrassing football at times but more importantly, I miss my football family. Like others, they are well-spread through the new stadium. So now I go, sit alone, watch awful football and pay top dollar. The seats next to me are "empty" and are sold off to non-members at a way cheaper price than my cost per game. It makes you think, and think hard.

I want to be a 23 year member but when that renewal pack arrives, I know I will not automatically renew as I have done for the last 21 occasions. That pack will sit on the kitchen bench for some time. Will I renew? Dunno.
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Noddy Membership dilemma? 5 years 7 months ago #28

Noddy
Every club has the people that can’t hack the tough times, but come back when things get better ala Tigers, Dees, Dogs.

Clubs would not survive and some don’t when times are tough. Fitzroy went under and the Tigers were heading that way a few years ago.

Credit to the Pies they’ve a hard core of true blue supporters.

Pull the pin when you don’t have to ....don’t do it, you’ll feel like a jelly back when we come good, next year!
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