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TOPIC: Richmond, clearances and stoppages

Bizkit Richmond, clearances and stoppages 5 years 7 months ago #15

Bizkit
Ignore that you beaut!

Jezza, you sledge Melbourne for being rubbish and wasting draft picks, holding them up as an example of why drafting high picks is a waste of time to prove one point. Then you do a complete 180 now to rubbish Geelong and their selling of draft picks to recruit mature age players to support their core group and challenge again for a flag. You're constantly flipping positions.

Geelong are still in contention for a flag and have the second best percentage in the 8 to give you an idea of how competitive they can be in finals. They have a very good side that is still yet to bottom out and rebuild. In the last 10 seasons they have finished outside the top 2 on 4 occasions, finishing 6th, 3rd, 10th and now 8th. I found it tough to decipher the point you were trying to make by comparing to their system but I'd wager it makes ours look horrible.

They have few retiree's on the horizon with a bunch of new talent exposed this season and on the rise so I can't see the Cats bottoming out any time soon either. Yet RL only had us near the top for a couple of seasons before plummeting in the worst fall in AFL history and remaining in the bottom 6 for the past three years. It's not even a comparison.

Their list management and systems are infinitely better than ours based on these stats.
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Jezza Richmond, clearances and stoppages 5 years 7 months ago #16

Jezza
Biz, the draft is a lottery. High draft picks like Oliver, Petrracca, Brayshaw are examples that if you get them right, they’re rolled gold. I don’t back down on that stance. Many top 10 draft picks don’t make it. Just one example, Jack Watts. We used to trade our high end picks but were slammed for it. That experiment has turned out just peachy. Now we’ve gone and got young talent, you guys are crapping on about system. NFI.
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hypen Richmond, clearances and stoppages 5 years 7 months ago #17

hypen
Calm down. Just making the point Lyon could make it easier for those kids at present and evolve something as they get a bit stronger and develop. Most non-cultists would agree.
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Flag_2005 Richmond, clearances and stoppages 5 years 7 months ago #18

Flag_2005
Biz I venture to suggest that in a few years’ time, hanging om the wall of a pool room somewhere, there’ll be a framed screenshot of you ‘you beauting’ one of Jezza’s posts.

Priceless.
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Morgan Richmond, clearances and stoppages 5 years 7 months ago #19

Morgan
I think Lyon has talked about making things simpler. Coaches in other sports talk about continuity. We don’t have that at Freo. Make of that what you will, but my view is the players learn how to play together over time. Doubtless the coach plays a role in that, especially the line coaches, but there’s no substitute for repitition and our list has very little experience playing together.

RM, Hawthorn had people forward in the first quarter, and when the Tigers took control of the contest they didn’t. When that happens at Freo you suggest it is the coach that instructs the players to leave the forward line which causes us to lose because there is no-one to kick to. Would you also suggest the Clarkson instructed, say Roughead, to avoid the forward 50?
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Raglan Matt Richmond, clearances and stoppages 5 years 7 months ago #20

Raglan Matt
Morgan, if he did not, Roughead should have copped a serve on the phone.

Jezza, your argument in post #14 gives credence to the idea that Lyon had little to do with making the '13 GF, most of the credit should go to Harvey.
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Bizkit Richmond, clearances and stoppages 5 years 7 months ago #21

Bizkit
The draft is far from a lottery with a whole host of people specifically employed to examine all the data and information to make the best possible decision at each club. It's a silly declaration to call it a lottery and is based on nothin factual.

The modern draft is incredibly organised and structured with youngsters examined to incredible detail on their suitability to be a star AFL footballer. There's the occasional player who doesn't meet expectation which could be for a number of reasons but the vast majority of prospects develop as you would expect at that age given the thorough examination of all aspects of their ability, personality and any football related traits.

Picking up a few top kids and a bunch of low picks does not equate to going and getting talent either and I'm sick of hearing the RL trumpeted 4 top 10 picks in 3 years parroted everywhere. Gold Coast will have 5 over that time period in addition to much more talent in earlier drafts and similarly GWS will have 6 from the top 20 (3 top 10) if not more with academy picks this year. Even Carlton will have 4 while the Saints, Brisbane and North gain 3. All those clubs had far more talent picked up in the second round which we have not participated in for a few years.

Pretending like we have all this major talent stocked away and every other club has stood still, refusing to bring anything in means you have NFI.
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Noddy Richmond, clearances and stoppages 5 years 7 months ago #22

Noddy
All coaches are trying to do the same thing with different assist coaches and lists. Some of those coaches don’t have the players on board, I think ours does.

The skills merry go round broke down ages ago.
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pollyanna Richmond, clearances and stoppages 5 years 7 months ago #23

pollyanna
Call it stupid, but I don't want to sit in the cold rain (new stadium or otherwise) and pay cash to see some kids kind of learn something. That's what preseason are meant to instil - how would Cockburn go with selling seats to that?
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Morgan Richmond, clearances and stoppages 5 years 7 months ago #24

Morgan
Just so I’m clear RM, you’re suggesting Clarkson-coached, 250 game, four time premiership All Australian, Coleman Medal winning Hawthorn captain needs to learn a bit about forward play?

Cool.
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walba Richmond, clearances and stoppages 5 years 7 months ago #25

walba
There is only one truth and that is revealed by the turnover differential graph in the ABC article. The more successful teams generally turnover the ball less often than the less successful teams. You can forget all other stats and conjecture about coaches, assistant coaches, football managers, game plans, draft picks, CEOs and administrations. However, it might help to get your skills right.
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Noddy Richmond, clearances and stoppages 5 years 7 months ago #26

Noddy
I give up. Go Dees!
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Raglan Matt Richmond, clearances and stoppages 5 years 7 months ago #27

Raglan Matt
What I suggest, Morgan, is that Clarkson went for a no-one inside 50 tactic, and it did not work. I am surprised at that because in the past he has shown confidence in his players to win the contest and get the footy forward, and has not blinked when opposition sides take him on. It seems on Thursday he blinked.
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Jason Richmond, clearances and stoppages 5 years 7 months ago #28

Jason
I think what we’ve seen the past two evenings are younger, faster and stronger teams - built primarily around successive drafts - knocking off older teams who have tried to keep in touch with the better sides by trading in mature players.

Hawthorn looked slow against Richmond and Geelong looked positively pedestrian against Melbourne. Neither of those teams are likely to challenge for a flag in the near term but may play finals.

The question is, when do you accept that ‘topping up’ has not delivered the desired outcome and you need to go the draft route?

Based on what I’ve seen this week - we’ve made the right choice.
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