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TOPIC: Rebuilding Myth Busting

Wizard33 Rebuilding Myth Busting 5 years 7 months ago #1

Wizard33
When is enough enough?

Through all the threads on DL, the theme of rebuilding always assumes that we add quality and young talent but never factoring in the loss of existing quality. Whilst I appreciate DL has never tolerated speculation, I'd ask you to play a scenario with me.

Let's just assume the worst for one second. We lose Neale which subsequently begins the exodus of S.Darcy and also young Cerra. Do we really expect to replace such players in a single pre-season? And if this core of our future is unhappy to the point where they wish to leave, how much longer do the most loyal and apathetic suspect that all is not well behind the purple curtain?

There ain't no smoke without fire and if the above scenario does become fact, then i'd be suggesting things may actually be a lot worse then presented on the surface. Feels like FFC is at a crisis point of which could see us taking a very very very long time to recover from.

I don't enjoy talking misery, in fact i find it deeply depressing. A flag would be amazing but right now i'd settle for a happy and stable team that want to play in purple.
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Sox Rebuilding Myth Busting 5 years 7 months ago #2

Sox
You’re right. If some bad things happen then that would be bad.
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hypen Rebuilding Myth Busting 5 years 7 months ago #3

hypen
We are in a crisis. All the signs are there. We will get out of it guaranteed. The sooner the club fesses up and makes changes the sooner we bounce back.

Even Shaun Macmanus on his brain dead radio show said it this morning.

If you think we are going to win a flag in 2020, you're an idiot.
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The_Yeti Rebuilding Myth Busting 5 years 7 months ago #4

The_Yeti
Wait an minute. I was told there would be an exodus of talent if we replaced Roly. Nobody mentioned an exodus of talent if we kept him.

But 2020 oh yeah....
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pollyanna Rebuilding Myth Busting 5 years 7 months ago #5

pollyanna
The signs were there part way into the 2017 season and exposed at the end of last year. The scenario were in now is the consequence of avoiding the hard decisions that need to be made. As time progresses the damage becomes worse - if anyone thinks this is bad, wait until next year. If you want to wait until 2020, so be it.
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Jezza Rebuilding Myth Busting 5 years 7 months ago #6

Jezza
Here we go again. Neale and his manager is just bumping his price up and it looks like Freo have fallen for the trick by his lucrative 4 year offer supposedly. Cerra doesn’t sign because he’s a young kid that feels the apron strings are attached. Fair call. Where’s the exodus. This is just routine. Ed Langdon could’ve left but didn’t. If Neale’s desperate to leave, wouldn’t he be seeking a trade to a Melbourne club, especially teams like Pies, Melb and even Roos, who would throw the kitchen sink at him to have him in their midfield. Fair dinkum take the blinkers off you blokes. It was a crisis when the club saw fit to sack Harvey. If Roly’s sacked then we’ve got a major crisis and a club in turmoil.
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hypen Rebuilding Myth Busting 5 years 7 months ago #7

hypen
And that's your problem right there. We say the club is off track and you launch into a defence of Ross Lyon.

I'm not sure if Lyon can coach anymore. I don't know. But I know this thing goes far deeper than him.

Rosich and the board.
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Wizard33 Rebuilding Myth Busting 5 years 7 months ago #8

Wizard33
It's a fascinating but miserable scenario.

I find myself wondering 'what if' over and over. For example. what if...

1. We had developed Freo oval as our own designated footy home? A 30/40k stadium in the centre of Freo, what it would have done for Freo as well as creating an amazing home fortress.

2. We go back to our roots, our colours our logo. Will this restore pride and love again for FFC?

DL is clearly divided and we are separated into glass half full and empty categories. I'm now firmly hard over into the empty side and can't help feeling that our current predicament isn't just a hand full of poor performances on the oval, but a long and historic list of poor strategic decisions that have gone very wrong.

If you were trying to identify a single root cause i'd be pointing to this - FFC has forgotten what made it different and why supporters were attracted to it in the first place. I'll never forget the universal love received for everything purple when we made the GF in 2013. Everyone loved FFC. Not sure we'd receive the same welcome as and if we get there again.

I want my FFC back. The one that even when we lost a game I was still proud, loyal and delighted to be a Dockers supporter.
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expat Rebuilding Myth Busting 5 years 7 months ago #9

expat
What attracted me to Freo was that we were the under dogs
We weren't shown any love from the AFL
We had to bust our asses over many years to get any sort of "respect"
And then we still had to toil and grind out victories
We had to make our own luck and develop our own leaders and champions

Pavlich
Sandilands
Fyfe
Mundy...

These kind of players were born out of many years in the dark.
We've only had minor success in the journey
We have seen some major hurdles and hiccups in the way
But whatever we do, we should not give up the passion that has brought us this far
Never give up on your faith

Hebrews 11:1: "Now faith (pi'stis) is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen."
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Jezza Rebuilding Myth Busting 5 years 7 months ago #10

Jezza
Wiz 33, many supporters of other clubs have been disillusioned for reasons worse than ours. If for no other reason then the club administrators are running the joint into the ground, then I think you need to look at what we’ve achieved since the days of the anchor being dragged onto the ground at our home games. For what it’s worth, I like our new jumper, the Cockburn arc and our entry into the women’s competition. For every negative there’s a couple of positives.
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shane Rebuilding Myth Busting 5 years 7 months ago #11

shane
You've joined the glass half empty camp...or 'the optimists' as they're called around here.
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Freo66 Rebuilding Myth Busting 5 years 7 months ago #12

Freo66
Had to double check which site I was on then when Wiz aid he was firmly hard!
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The_Yeti Rebuilding Myth Busting 5 years 7 months ago #13

The_Yeti
jezza, if Roly came out tomorrow and said he was aiming for more 100 point losses next year, you'd be on here posting about how brilliant that idea was.

We lost 9 games, almost half the games we played, by more than 50 points this year and thats after 3 years of crazed list turnovers. You might find that a positive but I'm with the rest of the mob who want pour club back from the snake oil salesmen
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Morgan Rebuilding Myth Busting 5 years 7 months ago #14

Morgan
It's not clear to me which myth is being busted.

Rebuilds proceed on the assumption that Wins = Talent + Development + Coaching + Fitness/Injuries. If we lose Neale and get pick 4 in return, then I'm not sure we lose too much on the talent side, it just won't (and might not) be realised for a while.

Rebuilds exist because the AFL system is weighed against teams like Freo who were very good for a relatively long stretch. Specifically, the AFL draft affects the Talent In / Talent Out part of the equation. At least that was the AFL's aim. In the last 5 or so years with greater player agency we've seen good and great players forcing their way to certain clubs, which has upset competitive balance. Where, for example, the Hawks and Cats could trade late first round picks for Brownlow Medal calibre players, we've instead had to enter the draft in the late teens and had a few misses (as everyone does at that range). In other places where we have had swings at players like Bennell, it hasn't come off. A few trades have worked (Hamling and Wilson, for example), but on balance we haven't been good enough to overcome the draft and FA odds stacked against us.

The fear is that with greater player agency if you are bad for too long you are going to lose players who don't want to play out their prime on losing teams. There can be a bit of a feedback loop, and it becomes very difficult to avoid a long stretch at the bottom. I was hoping we were on track to avoid that fate with 16 wins in the last two years, but perhaps we are seeing the start of that trend.

Interestingly, it's that exact fate that Brisbane has struggled with, and is what is driving their pitch to Neale. They see a chance to add a veteran to a young team to push them up the ladder. In that sense, it's worth paying Neale and Freo more than he is worth because of the net benefit to that club - the same way pick 2 was an overreach by CG17, but made sense for a club that couldn't retain talent. It's what pushed us to trade for Croad.

What has really hurt is that in the years where we are picking at the top of the draft there hasn't been any elite WA kids keen to stay in Perth. I know people like to dismiss luck, but we had no other choice but to take someone like Cerra knowing we would have a fight on our hands to retain him. My guess is Brayshaw was a little bit of a reach based on a sense he might stay.

There's no Footy Club Confidence Index, but that sort of sentiment can affect a club's fortunes. If it gets too low, the broom comes out because of the fear of that feedback loop. If the FCCI is ok - as it has been for Freo to date - then clubs will continue with the status quo.

This shapes to be an interesting offseason. Retain our key players, snag a couple of good trades, pick well in the draft and move up the ladder next year, and we could see the rebuild out in a relatively short timeframe. But it only takes one offseason for things to go off the rails. The bright side is that then Boards go into self-preservation mode, which means being seen to do something.

You might all get your wish for Lyon, Bond or both to be sacked.
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