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TOPIC: Why Disgruntled

Corporal Agarn Why Disgruntled 5 years 7 months ago #1

Corporal Agarn
Firstly Jeb 55, a discussion on Neale possibly moving to Brisbane seems a strange place to post that comment. Anyway here's some reasons why as I've said before I'm not happy. It's been a slow burn for me. This is not some overnight oh we're crap but all will be okay story.

Also since when has anyone here defended the AFL over the introduction of GWS and GC?

i. Coach gets five contact extension making him about the highest paid in the comp. Clarkson, Longmire, in fact nobody has got that even though they have far better records.
ii. Promises-sustained success and a premiership by 2020. Proven to be unobtainable and embarrassing.
iii. We're a no excuses football club. Now we get nothing but excuses.
iv. Moving away from Fremantle against the wishes of the vast majority of members and supporters.
v. Changing our jumper. See above.
vi. Fitness and medical team. We constantly have long term injury concerns. Supposedly due to training at Freo Oval but obviously not true. What is ever done to rectify this? Another review?
vii. Poor recruiting record. Forgetting who the expansion clubs have got, would you like a list of all the picks, some very high, who we have delisted in recent years. Or others we've let go for nothing to other clubs.
viii. Game plan. It appears unsustainable. Well whatever it is, it certainly isn't working. Even when we win we only play in patches and if you watch much football you'd have to have blinkers on not to see how boring it is watching a Fremantle game. That win against Port was quite possibly the worst game of football ever seen.
ix. Lyon. I dislike his smugness, the way he speaks to the media and an air of arrogance that he exudes. Plus what he said to a young employee that forced her to leave her job. Anyone that condones that should be ashamed.
x. Ass coaches. They either appear to contribute little or are according to some sources, not allowed to contribute.
xi. Finances. Because our coach is on such big money and a long contract the board can't afford to get rid of him even with only 20 wins in three seasons. They have had to resort to regularly offering cheap tickets to get supporters to games which is a rip off to people who stump up their annual membership.
xii. Reviews or should I say lack of. Each year the club or board just review themselves and say everything is okay when it is obviously not. This would not happen in any business and shouldn't here.

I'd also like to point out that every club besides the two recent expansion clubs, except for Melbourne, St Kilda and us has won a premiership since our inception. Do you think their or Carlton's supporters are happy or should be with how they are or have been going? The answer is no and no. Why should they be or why should we?

You may well disagree with some or lots of that but perhaps you could give your reasons why I'm wrong or should not be disgruntled with our current situation.
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larkin Why Disgruntled 5 years 7 months ago #2

larkin
I doubt a metaphor will satisfy you but here goes - The night is darkest just before the dawn.
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larkin Why Disgruntled 5 years 7 months ago #3

larkin
It seems they judged Roly as the best man to drive the rebuild with a long contract. It makes sense to me.
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larkin Why Disgruntled 5 years 7 months ago #4

larkin
and I'm quite amazed that many people in here haven't noticed how our game plan has changed. You'll get no clues from me either.
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expat Why Disgruntled 5 years 7 months ago #5

expat
Game plan? Isn't it... "Go out and kill em", hence our so many free's against.
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freo00 Why Disgruntled 5 years 7 months ago #6

freo00
We all have to remember that it is in the bag in 2020 .
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hypen Why Disgruntled 5 years 7 months ago #7

hypen
Think you'll find the lack of transparency and authenticity in Freo's communications regarding the very real concerns down at our club to be a bigger gripe than the current game plan, Larkin.

Keep hearing the Richmond story as a twisted defence of Fremantle. Again, I think you'd find people pretty supportive of the actions and transparency shown by the Richmond board being implemented by the Freo board.

And another thing, knocking Lyon and Rosich is not knocking the club.
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expat Why Disgruntled 5 years 7 months ago #8

expat
I think everyone's dreading the up coming Xmas party and need an excuse to pass on it.
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Jezza Why Disgruntled 5 years 7 months ago #9

Jezza
CA, clearly you’re not going to have much joy given our current predicament. Unless the people at the club change, it’s doomsday. The way I see it with Freo, since 2016, have been on a path to a rebuild. I acknowledged the negativity by all and sundry but that’s what many would like to see, Freo implode. We’re far from a laughing stock. I’ve got a few Slime mates who thought Simmo should’ve been sacked in 2017. The same ones who thinks Lyon is a dud. Go figure.
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themagoos Why Disgruntled 5 years 7 months ago #10

themagoos
CA, could I add to your list, Roly doesn't get the importance of the Derby. Even Drum and Connolly understood what the fans wanted, needed when we play the Slime.
Oh, and he doesn't support the players when they're up for bullshit charges, or make comment when we're rogered by certain umpires. This smacks of not wanting to poison the well for future career moves, rather than dealing with the here and now.
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ICONDOCKER Why Disgruntled 5 years 7 months ago #11

ICONDOCKER
We’re an organisation now, and pretend to be a club on game day, we’ve yet to get the balance right.
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Docker by the Sea Why Disgruntled 5 years 7 months ago #12

Docker by the Sea
My biggest issue is we are losing and losing badly.
However I do see our game plan has changed and we are trying to move the ball much quicker and through the middle of the ground.
I feel our playing group escapes a little bit of criticism in the concentration on Lyon and Rosich. The difference in the performance offered up in the last two games of the season was purely and simply player driven. This wasn’t the result of game plan or selection.
I don’t know if Lyon is still a good coach or can build a great team out of this group but he has two years to go with another top ten pick this year.
We have only had a few top ten picks in the last 5-6 years and some high picks traded for Bennell. I was genuinely excited by this deal and thought it was a good idea.
What few higher picks we did have prior to the rebuild 2016, some were unfortunate in Morabito and Pitt. The team would have a much different look with both Morabito and Fyfe.
It is hard to criticise Lyon for not defending or supporting his players. I would list this as both a strength and weakness of Lyon as I think he may show too much loyalty and trust in his current playing group. This may have contributed to the current situation, resulting in huge list turn over.
The message coming from Lyon occurs quite disingenuous at times and avoids addressing what fans want to hear. Hardwick and Buckley by comparison in my opinion always seemed to be more genuine in their responses.
I don’t have crystal ball but don’t see any reason why we can’t be a genuine contender by the end of 2020, stranger things have happened. If this was to be the case expect Lyon to be offered an extension.
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mackenzie Why Disgruntled 5 years 7 months ago #13

mackenzie
My biggest concern is what happens at the end of next season. It will be at this point that we either offer Lyon a new contract, or based on the current mantra, is that he’d see out his contract in full no matter what.

So, if we achieve the same result, or slightly better (10 wins), do you offer Ross a new contract?

Or, if we’re awful, then we still have him treading water for another 12 months, essentially wasting the last 2 years.

The other version is that things go amazing next year, probably unlikely based on the trends of the last 3 years.

When and what is the pass mark for next year?
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mackenzie Why Disgruntled 5 years 7 months ago #14

mackenzie
My biggest concern is what happens at the end of next season. It will be at this point that we either offer Lyon a new contract, or based on the current mantra, is that he’d see out his contract in full no matter what.

So, if we achieve the same result, or slightly better (10 wins), do you offer Ross a new contract?

Or, if we’re awful, then we still have him treading water for another 12 months, essentially wasting the last 2 years.

The other version is that things go amazing next year, probably unlikely based on the trends of the last 3 years.

When and what is the pass mark for next year?
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