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Jezza Ladder This Year v Last Year 5 years 8 months ago #15

Jezza
Perhaps losing Brad Lloyd is a blessing in disguise but his job was to build a list from bottom up and did splendidly well. But the Hawthorn blue print has masked the fact that they’ve had a minimal turnover in personnel, only jettisoned the players past their used by dates and pick up free agents instead of developing them. To state that Hawthorn’s rebuild has taken only 12 months is somewhat dismissing their ability to pick up free agents who wants to win a premiership before they retire aka Brian Lake.
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expat Ladder This Year v Last Year 5 years 8 months ago #16

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At the end of the day, it doesn't mean squat. This is not golf where we can use an "age" handicap to get us a few extra goals. I think it boils down to us having pretty piss poor list management over the years. I just hope that the hard experiences that Freo have faced over the past few years has them thinking twice as we move forward.
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Raglan Matt Ladder This Year v Last Year 5 years 8 months ago #17

Raglan Matt
I am no expert, by any means, but I would think it would be very much easier to maintain your ladder position year to year at fifteenth, than at third or fourth. I get the feeling that only very few Freo supporters think that is a reasonable ladder position to be maintaining. Please tell me "am I right or am I wrong"
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Corporal Agarn Ladder This Year v Last Year 5 years 8 months ago #18

Corporal Agarn
Yes it's certainly a position I don't think we can keep maintaining and saying that the rebuild is working.
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ICONDOCKER Ladder This Year v Last Year 5 years 8 months ago #19

ICONDOCKER
The inequity of the draw may encourage this lowly position in anticipation of an easy draw against other bottom 6 sides and potentially have a breakout year.
The competition seems to run to a script that maximises revenue.
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Wizard33 Ladder This Year v Last Year 5 years 8 months ago #20

Wizard33
The most concerning observation for me is that using young age as a barometer for future success is assuming that the current set of factors remains constant.

Assuming only that Cerra resigns, whose to say that the rest of the young list remains the same for the next 3 years?

Stability of a playing list comes with stability in the management. What ever way you want to dice it, I feel that the current set of circumstance realates back to when FFC became a franchise product and no longer the Fremantle Dockers we love so much.
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pollyanna Ladder This Year v Last Year 5 years 8 months ago #21

pollyanna
Maintaining 14th spot means you've sacked some blokes, retired some blokes, drafted some blokes and fooled tens of thousands into believing you've done something when you've done bugger all.

Treading water is only hope inspiring when your boat sinks and you're lost at sea.
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Jebediah55 Ladder This Year v Last Year 5 years 8 months ago #22

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Let see for starters Collingwood has been rebuilding since 2012, so have taken 6 years, Carlton have been rebuilding since about 1996 I reckon so that’s about 22 years and umpteen coaches. The Western Bulldogs aren’t officially in a rebuild, they have massive injury issues according to the media, and those injured stars are starting to retire like blowflies. GCS aren’t supposed to be in rebuild mode either with two thirds of the team first and second round draft picks but seemly years away from a top eight spot.
Melbourne have been on rebuild mode since about 2006 so that’s 12 years and numerous first round picks and a lot of bad management. Richmond were rebuilding since 2002 and took 12 years to get back in the 8. It took them 5 years from that point to win the flag. St Kilda have not been in the 8 since Ross left and won’t be for a while yet. Since 2005 the Lions have only been in the 8 once in 2009. Melbourne have been rebuilding since 2007, 12 years again.

What this is stating is rebuilds are generally long arduous roads and hawthorn, Geelong and Sydney are the only teams that have been able to maintain long term top eight positions, which benefit the AFL.
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freo00 Ladder This Year v Last Year 5 years 8 months ago #23

freo00
Most things that you do for the first time take the longest time .
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purple kit Ladder This Year v Last Year 5 years 8 months ago #24

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What that says to me is that “rebuilds” are a furphy sold to fans to give hope. In reality you are either:
A) a well managed club who consistently contests finals. (Sydney, Geelong, Hawks, WC) or
B) a poorly managed club who always misses out. (Carlton, Suns, saints, us right now, Melb until recently)
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stickers Ladder This Year v Last Year 5 years 8 months ago #25

stickers
As far as age goes, without D Pearce, Johno and Spurr we drop our average games by approx 650 to around 50.4 - the least experienced side in the comp

Remove Sandi, Ballantyne and Mundy a year later and you've taken another 700 games (but each season adds 484 games onto a teams list anyway) and our avg experience drops further, if we only draft kids.

So unless we draft in some experience, which is going to be hard with only 1 decent pick this year., then we will have the most inexperienced list going around for a few years to come
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Jezza Ladder This Year v Last Year 5 years 8 months ago #26

Jezza
The Slime pulled the wool over everyone when they retired Mitchell and Priddis, all the while knowing that their age demographic and games experience would see them contend again. This is the 4th year they’ve played finals since Simmo arrived in 2014. Coincidentally, Roly’s arrival in 2012, we were finals participants for 4 consecutive years before the drop. The difference is that we’ve turned our list over by 20+ players in 2 years, whilst they’ve made significantly less than us. If you think we’re treading water, then given the list overhaul, it’s to be expected I would’ve thought. Clearly the masses think we’re sinking but I spot the Westpac chopper about to lift us off. Don’t think we’ll be treading much longer.
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Corporal Agarn Ladder This Year v Last Year 5 years 8 months ago #27

Corporal Agarn
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The_Yeti Ladder This Year v Last Year 5 years 8 months ago #28

The_Yeti
Jezza, didn't you tell we were top 4 material this year?

Your prognostications are worse than Shane's betting. You should just stop.
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