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TOPIC: List Management

The_Yeti List Management 5 years 8 months ago #1

The_Yeti
Drafting players to manage a list depends very much on having a strategy that allows for all aspects of a teams needs to be covered in a limited number of draft picks. Its no secret that most of the quality players will be selected in the first round, while other good players can be found in the second and third rounds. After that, finding good players is a pretty rare event.

Given that, most teams have 2 or 3 good picks avialbale to them. You can add the Rookie List players that you can develop over a period of time then upgrade with late picks. If that is managed well, a team can have somewhere between 2 - 5 picks ina year to extract good quality players, sometimes more if you can identify good players deep into a draft or if you can develop players that initially don't appear to be great quality.

In 2015 we had 3 retirements (Sylvia, McPharlin, Duffield) and 7 delistings (Ballard, Crowley, Deluca (rookied), Duffy, Moller Morabito (rookied), Vandeleur)

In 2016 we 1 retirement (Pavlich) and 11 delistings (De Boer, Barlow, Mzungu, Pearce C, Silvagni, Hannath, Grey (rookied), Morabito, Smith, Deluca (rookied), Hurley)

In 2017, we had 3 retirements (Yarran, Dawson, Ibbotson) and 6 delistings (Clarke, Collins, Ubergang, Griffin, Suban, Deluca)

In 3 off seasons that has resulted in 7 retirements and 24 delistings. Even redrafting some onto the Rookie List, that is unsustainable to have that many delistings in such a short time. The result for us now is we cannot shift any more dead wood. We have to carry what we have for at least one season and maybe two seasons because we didn't manage our list all that well. Drafting and delisting Deluca every year is a case in point. Delisting blokes that were still useful didn't help much as well.

Isd all this the fault of the List Manager? In my view, a lot of this falls on his shoulders but not all of it. How much is a failure by the coaches to develop identified talent and how much is a failure to correctly identify that talent. Its almost impossible to point to any player and say bad choice or bad development but it is fair to say that as a club, we have been doing things rather badly for some time. That all falls under the Bond, Chris Bond in particular but Lloyd doesn't get a pass and neither does the coaching panel.

It beggars belief that we can review our progress each off season and have those blokes all getting a pass mark.

* Traded players were not included as they tend to be pick neutral ie player out for a pick to get a player in
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expat List Management 5 years 8 months ago #2

expat
So this is what our new list management model has become...



I'm sure there will now be a fight to see who gets to spin the wheel.
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Raglan Matt List Management 5 years 8 months ago #3

Raglan Matt
Bond will win that fight. He is the one who seems to be escaping media scrutiny in this time of trouble for Freo, but he is the one person who has a finger in every cold pie that Freo has been dished up over the last 10 years. Name one thing he has done that has been acclaimed as a Freo success( By the footy supporters, not admin and coaching box.) and provide one article that puts him under the blowtorch. He is the toxic presence in the Freo family.
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The_Yeti List Management 5 years 8 months ago #4

The_Yeti
I reckon Bond is the one who was instrumental in Roly's 5 retirement plan, was instrumental in the overly high turnover of players and is currently instrumental in preventing a realistic assessment of what we are doing.

He's also instrumental in our plea at every opportunity process with the AFL Tribunal. Like Rosich, he's past his used by date.

It shouldn't be forgotten that he oversees the List Manager, Fitness and Medical departments as well as the Coaching Panel. We've been deficient in all those areas for some time in my view but I don't see many signs of change.

I expect another round of excuses.
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winteriscoming List Management 5 years 8 months ago #5

winteriscoming
Let's get another midfielder.........I reckon we need one more quality one to go next to Cerra and Brayshaw
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freo00 List Management 5 years 8 months ago #6

freo00
16 August 2018 — 7:45am

I am a bit confused in WA Today there was this ,

The dual Dockers club champion and four-time All-Australian Aaron Sandilands will assist with further development of emerging 20-year-old Dockers lead ruck hopeful Sean Darcy
as well as back-up big men Lloyd Meek, Luke Strnadika and Scott Jones.

Maybe this is just speculation from someone who really doesn't know what is going on ?

So are they going to de-list Luke Strnadica or not ?
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