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TOPIC: Brad Lloyd to carlton as head of footy

hypen Brad Lloyd to carlton as head of footy 5 years 8 months ago #57

hypen
Yes we'll let you know when year 6 of the 4 year rebuild is complete.
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Rhufus Brad Lloyd to carlton as head of footy 5 years 8 months ago #58

Rhufus
So who replaces him???
I nominate Bizkit.
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Gerovich Brad Lloyd to carlton as head of footy 5 years 8 months ago #59

Gerovich
Lloyd has done a good job. Roly has done a good job. Our cattle aren’t good enough. We lose a lot.

I’m not following some of you.
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The_Yeti Brad Lloyd to carlton as head of footy 5 years 8 months ago #60

The_Yeti
If Lloyd has done a good job with our list and Roly has done a good job developing that list, how come our cattle are no good?

It seems every body is doing a good job yet we seem pretty crap.

I agree we lose a lot so maybe nobody is doing a good job after all.
Egurls Suck!
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shane Brad Lloyd to carlton as head of footy 5 years 8 months ago #61

shane
We're just having a spell of bad luck.
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The_Yeti Brad Lloyd to carlton as head of footy 5 years 8 months ago #62

The_Yeti
How many mirrors did we break when we moved out of Moss St?
Egurls Suck!
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Corporal Agarn Brad Lloyd to carlton as head of footy 5 years 8 months ago #63

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I think Gero needed the sarcastica font.
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expat Brad Lloyd to carlton as head of footy 5 years 8 months ago #64

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Gee I hope that Lloyd doesn't take pick 6 with him and secretly negotiated a spot for Cerra on the Blue's list.
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Morgan Brad Lloyd to carlton as head of footy 5 years 8 months ago #65

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Gero, I’m not sure if Lloyd did a good job. I don’t presume to know who was calling the shots. Was it Lloyd or Bond? Did Lyon overrule them? I don’t presume to know what information was in front of each individual, who was advocating for what course of action.

I’m also just not as quick to assume that because we are lousy at playing football at the moment it means everyone at the club is doing a lousy job. I think there is a tendency to conflate giving individuals the benefit of the doubt with support for those individuals.

I’m also of the view that no-one, or club, operates outside a complex system. I’m not a football libertarian, as it were. On any objective measure Freo is a mid or lower tier club in the AFL hierarchy that had a decent run, and therefore didn’t have a top 10 draft pick from the years 2010-2015. We also didn’t have the systemic benefits of other privileged clubs in the AFL (eg Sydney’s COLA, Hawthorn and Geelong having Brownlow Medallists walk in the front door, Richmond’s home ground advantage).

I also don’t completely discount luck. Those 6 years without a top 10 pick were bookended by the selections of Morabito and Logue. You just can’t afford to miss on those picks, as we did with Mora (and may do with Logue). If we had Dusty or Cunnington (selected immediately before or after Mora) in our side, we’d be a lot better. But does that mean whoever selected Morabito made an error? I’m not so sure. Certainly from what we all saw of Mora in his first year he could have been anything. Similarly I thought Bennell was a worthwhile risk. It didn’t come off. Does that mean it was a bad decision? Again, I don’t know. I don’t know what the Doctors said. I don’t know what information was in front of blokes like Lloyd. I know I would find it hard to not take a punt on that sort of talent.

I honestly don’t know how anyone can have such a negative view of his performance without being at the club.
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shane Brad Lloyd to carlton as head of footy 5 years 8 months ago #66

shane
You do go on.

What we know is that he didn't get great results while he was in the job.

Why that sort of thing is being said is because it was framed as a huge loss for the club that they would struggle to overcome.
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Grub Brad Lloyd to carlton as head of footy 5 years 8 months ago #67

Grub
He was around for 10 or 11 years and smack bang in the middle of that period we did OK. Who knows whether that was down to this Lloyd or whoever. Everyone will have a view.
I understand he was based in Melbourne a lot anyway so good luck with the new job. An opportunity for somebody now present I guess.
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expat Brad Lloyd to carlton as head of footy 5 years 8 months ago #68

expat
Let's hope the new bloke is from this side of the Nullarbor.
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hypen Brad Lloyd to carlton as head of footy 5 years 8 months ago #69

hypen
That's enough talk about list management. What about the CEO, what period is too long for a CEO of a largish organization?

Schwabby left what ten years ago?
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shane Brad Lloyd to carlton as head of footy 5 years 8 months ago #70

shane
I think we have to wait for Nissy to retire.
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