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TOPIC: Tab v Hogan

hypen Tab v Hogan 5 years 8 months ago #15

hypen
I'm certain Taberner will match Hogan from this point on. Maybe he won't catch him but it will be close. But we've got our key forward. He can seriously run and mark.
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Detox Tab v Hogan 5 years 8 months ago #16

Detox
I hope your right about Tabs.. I actually think we would do better getting a De Goey type explosive medium forward to help with our scoring than a big lumbering key forward anyway.. Cox and Dixon will develop OK.. Hogan will be a free agent at the end of next year I think so we could have a crack at him then
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bozza Tab v Hogan 5 years 8 months ago #17

bozza
Izak Rankine looks like the De Goey type in this years draft Detox. Not sure he will be available come our pick. I’m actually hoping the Bulldogs keep up their good form and go above us on the ladder in the next two weeks.
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Morgan Tab v Hogan 5 years 8 months ago #18

Morgan
Good memory Gidge, but I think 'rubbishing' is a bit strong. My thoughts on Tabs three years ago:

Gidge, there are some things to like about Tabs, but there are two things that worry me about him: first, he doesn't seem to judge the ball in flight very well, which is a concern for a key forward (compare, for example, the way A Pearce seems to get to the right spot as a defender). Second, he isn't really elite at any one thing. Physically, he's neither big nor fast. He has good endurance, and he's tall, but being tall only helps you if you can read the ball in flight.

In a very limited sample, Apeness looked a more likely type. He got his hands to the ball at the peak of his jump, but was too skinny to guard space and really clang his marks. But the signs were there that a couple more summers in the gym will see him improve. I'm not sure Tabs, with his body shape and age (22) has too much physical development in him. Game sense and timing might improve, but physically I think he is what he is.

I think Tabs can be a solid contributor, and I absolutely agree he should be given every chance to grow and prove himself, but my feeling is that if he's playing on the best defender for the next 5 years he's going to get towelled, and by pinning our hopes on him to lead our attack will lead to a backlash against him if he's not up to it.


I don't think I was too far off. He still doesn't seem to clunk his marks - I think guys like A Pearce and Cox are still much better at reading the play and the ball in flight - but where he really has seemed to improve is his strength. It's a credit to him that he's been able to bulk up so much from years 22 to 25 without losing his running ability. Our fitness staff cop a pasting on here, but you'd have to say they've helped him get to a position where he can hold his ground.

Three years ago I thought he was most likely to be a good second option, but I didn't think he could anchor a forward line. He's outperformed my expectations this year, but I still think you need an elite tall next to him for him to really shine.

But I think we need to pump the breaks a little on Tabs. I think we've been starved for a decent option that people are getting a little ahead of themselves. To be an elite key forward, I'd say you need to be in the to 10 in your position. I don't think Tabs is that. In fact, I'm not even sure he's in the top 18.

Morgan's hastily put together (not-Tabs) key forward rankings.

1. Franklin
2. Kennedy
3. Brown
4. Riewoldt
5. Hogan
6. Hawkins
7. Lynch
8. Cameron
9. Roughead
10. Dixon
11. Gunstan*
12. Curnow
13. Walker
14. Patton
15. Westhoff*
16. Hipwood
17. Danniher
18. Darling
19. Jenkins
20. Lobb
21. Hooker

Where would you rank Tabs on that list? I think I'd have him somewhere in the 14-18 range. So yeah, he's good, but I still don't think he's elite.

As an aside, it looks like I was a fair bit off about Apeness - although injuries really didn't help there - and that it was obvious before his own injuries A Pearce was a gem.
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Detox Tab v Hogan 5 years 8 months ago #19

Detox
Yeah Rankine is the one. Already playing well in the SANFL against men too
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Raglan Matt Tab v Hogan 5 years 8 months ago #20

Raglan Matt
I would put him in the 8-12 range Morgan, and a lot of that is caused by the fact that he has not been given the game time he needed as the second forward while Pav was still playing. I can see Cox developing into as good or better key forward, as long as he is given game time over the next 3 years.
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hypen Tab v Hogan 5 years 8 months ago #21

hypen
Not a bad effort that list Morgan. Let's do it again this time next year and you'll need one of your 100 page long synopsis' to justify Taberner's exclusion.
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Morgan Tab v Hogan 5 years 8 months ago #22

Morgan
Yeah, I barely had to try this time hypen.

Watching Curnow this week I was pretty impressed. He has a great combination of size, speed and a booming kick. A Pearce did ok in the one-on-ones, but Curnow trounced him on the lead.

I know punters like Raglan Matt and Mushroom would like to see more of our guys leading up to the ball. If we had a bloke like Curnow I think we'd see a bit more of it. As it is, Tabs and Cox are a little one dimensional. They need to run to the right spot - often floating back to goal - and hope the kick is right in their airspace to use their height (Tabs) or judgement (Cox) to pluck it. The margin for error is much greater than a bloke like Curnow beating his man on a 40m lead. In that case, you just need to put it up somewhere in front of him.

But leading out of the square just isn't Tabs or Cox's go. CamMac is our man for that, and I thought he looked dangerous when isolated deep in the second half. Still, that only works if Tabs and Cox have distracted the legitimate tall defenders.
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pollyanna Tab v Hogan 5 years 8 months ago #23

pollyanna
No one is going to talk about his turning circle. The wider ground at the Colindome has meant he can do a 180 without stopping, reversing back a bit and then give it a bit of a sharper cut in - like an HQ without hydraulic assisted steering. Sneer that off all you want, but Hoges can turn on a dime - my money's on Jesse.
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Grub Tab v Hogan 5 years 8 months ago #24

Grub
The HQ is a lot more reliable than both of them at the moment. Time on the park will help Tabs out the most. On exposed talent and ability Hogan still gets the nod but value for money I think Tabs might have him now and in the future.
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Corporal Agarn Tab v Hogan 5 years 8 months ago #25

Corporal Agarn
Yeti and Hypen's visionary glasses.

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Corporal Agarn Tab v Hogan 5 years 8 months ago #26

Corporal Agarn
2018 hasn't been good injury wise for Tabs but here's a comparison

I think Hogan plays more like Nick Reiwoldt, Covers a lot of ground, very mobile and hard to match up on. I don't think they are actually alike in their style of play at all and could easily play together in the same side, if and when that ever happened.

edit-That does look like a jumble of numbers but I'm not clever enough to sort them properly. Okay got rid of them. Important ones are on average for this season.

Disposals Marks Goals Tackles

Hogan 18.3 6.3 2.4 2.1

Tabs 15.3 5.7 1.3 1.1
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Grub Tab v Hogan 5 years 8 months ago #27

Grub
Cut and paste those numbers into your web browser and I reckon you will end up with a bitcoin.
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hypen Tab v Hogan 5 years 8 months ago #28

hypen
Just remember something else, Tabs has been a mainstay of the team for the past three years or so.....since we've been absolutely rotten.

Those comparitive numbers Corp has put up aren't that big a gap.
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