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TOPIC: Hawthorn

Morgan Hawthorn 5 years 8 months ago #15

Morgan
They certainly draft pretty well, and they are well coached. But 5 of their top 10 from their 2017 fairst and best walked through the front door from other clubs without them needing to give much up.

They also only have to travel for away games four times this year.

In an equalised league, ithat is two pretty big advantages.
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hypen Hawthorn 5 years 8 months ago #16

hypen
I could list all these post 50 picks they have nailed but you'd tell me , "yeah but everyone else passed up on them too".
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The_Yeti, shane said You Beaut

Raglan Matt Hawthorn 5 years 8 months ago #17

Raglan Matt
They have a smarter coaching box, and more than 1 way to skin a cat. It is the only explanation that makes sense
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hypen Hawthorn 5 years 8 months ago #18

hypen
I am not saying we have to be as good as Hawthorn cause in terms of management they're the best. But why do we have to be the polar extreme?
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shane Hawthorn 5 years 8 months ago #19

shane
Why do we have to be Carlton.
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Raglan Matt Hawthorn 5 years 8 months ago #20

Raglan Matt
Because global warming has not hit Cockburn yet???
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The_Yeti Hawthorn 5 years 8 months ago #21

The_Yeti
Hypen,

we are the polar opposite in more ways than one.

RM has it right. They have more talent in their coaching box. I don't think they are better at identifying talent but they are far better at developing that talent and far better at getting the best out of what they have.

Their ass coaches are a mile in front of ours. Whether thats because Roly doesn't want contrary opinions or whether its because the good ones don't want to work under him or maybe its just because Bond, Chris Bond can't identify a good ass coach, I don't know.

One thing for sure, if its a lack of talent on the coaching box then Roly isn't good enough on his own to make up the difference. If its something else, then Bond needs to identify and fix it, even if that means moving on the head coach.

We do not seem to develop our recruits as well as other clubs and that simply has to be a coaching issue. We have people who are performing at lower levels who can't seem to get a look in while others consistently underperform, yet get repeatedly selected when they don't perform at Peel. Its one thing being loyal to 'some' players but the loyalty is supposed to be to club and its ongoing performance.

3 years in the bottom six isn't my idea of 'sustained success'
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hypen Hawthorn 5 years 8 months ago #22

hypen
Maybe Clarkson is more flexible in terms of working with what he has and Lyon simply has his way of doing things.

Also, and I have no stats to support this. But we must have one of the worst injury frequency rates in the league.
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Raglan Matt Hawthorn 5 years 8 months ago #23

Raglan Matt
Hypen,

Maybe Clarkson is more flexible in terms of working with what he has and Lyon simply has his way of doing things.

Goes a long way to saying Clarkson is a good coach and Lyon has some telling shortcomings as a coach.
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