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TOPIC: As bad as it's been

purple mao As bad as it's been 5 years 8 months ago #1

purple mao
There's been a bit of talk on this site about how, for alot of supporters, the past three years of the Floss Lyon era has been probably the least enjoyable time in our 24 years of supporting Freo.

It seems to most of us oldies that, even in the bad old days when Dan Parker was holding down a key defensive post and Darren Capewell was showing his wares on a half forward flank, we were not only more fun to watch but also more competitive. There was a sense that when it all came together (albeit rarely), we could beat almost anyone in the comp and we didn't consistently get flogged the way we have in recent years.

I started wondering if this was just selective memory or if things now really are as bad as they seem. So I looked back at the ladder over the past 24 years focusing not on wins and losses but rather percentage (how competitive were we over the season, even when we lost alot of games) and points scored (how fun were we to watch).

I'm sad to say that things are indeed as bad as they seem - our percentages in 2016 (74.3) and 2017 (74.4) are the worst in our club's history aside from the horror show year of 2001 (72.0) and also 2000 (72.0), when we won 8 games but lost a number of games by big margins. But even in those two years, we still still scored more (1886 pts and 1794 pts) than we did in 2016-17 (1574 pts and 1607 pts).

While our percentage this year is a little less sick than the previous two years (currently 80.3), we are on track to have our lowest scoring season of all time (1563 pts if our current scoring average holds).

So basically, if it feels to you like we get flogged more often than we used to, don't put teams away by big margins when things are going well like we used to, and can't kick goals to save our lives anymore, it's because it's true.

But how much of is this the fault of Floss Lyon's dour game plan? According to the stats, not entirely. We actually had our biggest percentage years in Floss' first four years 2012 - 2015 (ranging from 115.7 to 134.1) - higher than our previous finals appearance years in '03, '06 and '10. We also scored at a healthy rate in 2012-2014, averaging around 2000 pts per season which is up their with our best years apart from 2010 and (surprisingly) 2007 when we scored a bit higher.

But as we all know, something changed drastically in 2015. Even finishing on top we still found it hard to score and our total points plunged to 1857 pts, which is down near the lowest we had ever scored previously in a season, even during the dark Damian Drum years.

And it's all gone horribly, horribly wrong from there. So we're not deluding ourselves, this really is the most rubbish footy we've all been forced to watch in a long, long time.
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Noddy As bad as it's been 5 years 8 months ago #2

Noddy
Just a guess, but this could be the youngest most inexperienced squad we’ve ever played.

If anyone can name a side so young that’s ever played finals, I’d like to know about it.
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hypen As bad as it's been 5 years 8 months ago #3

hypen
Well Essendon won a flag and they were younger. North Melbourne can't be much older than us at present.
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Corporal Agarn As bad as it's been 5 years 8 months ago #4

Corporal Agarn
Good research PM. I know that some people think Roly walks on water because back in the day he got us to a grand final. Of course it's been a dramatically downward spiral ever since.

So who knows if a new coach would do any better? Maybe, maybe not, but when you continue to be as bad as we are then there is obviously going to be an appetite for change whether the diehard Roly lovers like it or not.

Actually Mick Malthouse got Collingwood to a losing GF two years before Roly. Maybe we could bring him back.
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Corporal Agarn As bad as it's been 5 years 8 months ago #5

Corporal Agarn
So young that they were called the the baby bombers. Hawthorn in 2008.
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Drubbing As bad as it's been 5 years 8 months ago #6

Drubbing
Essendon 1993 24yo
WC 1992 23.5yo
Pies 2010 23yo

They all played finals and won GFs in those years.
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Quasimodo As bad as it's been 5 years 8 months ago #7

Quasimodo
Like you purple Mao. I've been there in the stands from the start.

Early on we were poor but entertaining and when things clicked we looked great. Then cam the Drum years, a steady decline to rock bottom. Then Connolly came in and we got better 2003 we made the finals, 2006 a prelim and perhaps a lost opportunity. But Chris must have annoyed someone as not long after he was gone, but under him we always played attractive footy and he seemed a good bloke. Then Harvey took over, full of promise but by 2011 the injuries had stacked up and the game plan was non existent. So the board made the change. Enter Ross the Messiah. Finals first year, grand final in the second. All our dreams were coming true. Injuries stunted 2014, then the minor premiership of 2015. Then nothing, a terrible 2016, slightly better 2017 and this year we are running on the spot, the game plan is ugly, always has been but you can stomach it when you are winning. Playing the kids, has been sand never were so it's looks bad. It is bad.

Even with Drum you had hope of a better day, the Board need to make the change we have run our race with Lyon, no good will come keeping him on he is year days man.

The push will come, the one thing the club can't stomach is a drop in membership numbers and if I were the Board I would be very concerned about next years renewals. Money talks as they say and I think this is the catalyst for change.

Issue is who do we get? Who will want to coach us.
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Noddy As bad as it's been 5 years 8 months ago #8

Noddy
North?
Thompson 32 218 games
Zeibel 27 184 games
Tarrant 29 122 games
Goldstein 30 208 games
Atley 25 172 games
Brown 95 games
Cunnington 27 183 games
Higgins 30 200 games

Some decent Kpp and experience there.
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expat As bad as it's been 5 years 8 months ago #9

expat
Thanks for clearing that up PM. I feel a lot better now... "the most rubbish footy we've all been forced to watch in a long, long time."
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Flag_2005 As bad as it's been 5 years 8 months ago #10

Flag_2005
One significant factor missing in the analysis is Matthew Pavlich.
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Walter the baker As bad as it's been 5 years 8 months ago #11

Walter the baker
Keep it in perspective. We got into a GF and finished top of the ladder just a few short years ago, and that was on the back of some aging A graders with not much behind them. We've had a big turnover of players and it will take some time to get them up to speed. I'm confident we have better days ahead, but I don't know how much better. I don't see a GF in this team but that's what Bulldogs and Tigers supporters were saying three years ago.
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freo00 As bad as it's been 5 years 8 months ago #12

freo00
I don't see us in a GF with this coach if you think honestly about it .

The whole place is in disarray our players are being coached by people with no experience in coaching .
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jimb2 As bad as it's been 5 years 8 months ago #13

jimb2
Fremantle looked like a team of kids sent out to play a team that had probably more talent and certainly several years of development over us.

There might be some exceptions - the Baby Bombers were replete with talent - but the fact is that that development is normally required.

This is the end of the season for a very young side. We've shown a bit this years but there's some distance to go. One thing that I've noticed is that rebuilds always take longer than expected. Not here, everywhere.
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Dockermus As bad as it's been 5 years 8 months ago #14

Dockermus
Like you, PM, I've sat in the stands watching Freo for too many years. Watching the game yesterday, the conversation around the small group I sit with was that, unlike previous teams, when this team goes 3-4 goals down, there's no coming back. Earlier Freo teams couldn't be so easily written off, even 6-7 goals down. Those teams were full of character. And attitude. A bit too much 'character' sometimes. What we're watching now is a sort of no-risk, corporate vanilla footy. It's boring, and frustrating.
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